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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#143751: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:59:20 AM

[up][up][up][up]Just another symptom of how the GOP didn't really have a good grasp on their own base, I suppose, and expected that Trump was going to fall so easily they wouldn't even have to bother.

edited 13th Oct '16 8:59:38 AM by Draghinazzo

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143752: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:00:23 AM

@Crimson Zephyr:

You might be fighting a losing battle, there, depending on how obtuse she chooses to be. The only real option you have is to keep emphasizing Trump's insanity and bigotry, and hope for the best. My family has a friend who went from being a Benghazi believer to being a Hillary voter come November, due in no small part to my evangelism of the Democratic platform, but specifically by repeatedly driving all of Trump's worst moments home until he decided he couldn't stomach being associated with Trump's ilk. He was one of the "both candidates are garbage and will fuck us over equally!" camp, which is fucking daft, but there you have it.

Here's the thing though; my mother already HATES Donald Trump. She hates Clinton, but she hates Trump even more. If she thinks Clinton's Grandma Nixon, then she thinks Trump is the Devil. While she thinks we could at least live through a Clinton presidency, she knows that if Trumps wins, we're as good as fucked. So it's not that she hates Clinton and supports Trump, but that she despises both candidates and only loathes Clinton somewhat less than she does Trump.

Also, she thinks the last President with honesty, integrity, and brains we've had was Ronald Reagan, and has either disliked or hated every single President we've had since. Just figured I should mention it.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:01:38 AM by kkhohoho

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143753: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:06:51 AM

What bee did the Philipene president get up his bonnet? Just hates the US on principle? Just hateful in general?

edited 13th Oct '16 9:07:51 AM by Elle

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143754: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:09:16 AM

[up] It's ironic that she thinks HRC is a female Nixon, since HRC was part of the investigation that nearly got Nixon impeached. That's the main reason the GOP has had it in for her ever since.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:09:35 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#143755: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:09:18 AM

For those baffled about why Trump enjoys continued support, Cracked's David Wong has a pretty good write-up about the matter, attributing it to those in rural areas getting royally fucked over yet not actually receiving much in the way of help time and again. Especially poignant are his comments about the attention paid to New Orleans vs. all of Mississippi in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in spite of receiving the same amount of damage (at least in terms of dollar cost), the fact that the Great Recession's recovery went almost exclusively to the cities, and being made the butt of jokes while others in similar situations (poor, addicted to drugs, etc.) are given sympathy.

And speaking as someone that lives in a rural area (and thus fairly red, even by NY standards)... yeah, he pretty much hits the nail on the head. Where I live, if you don't have a vehicle, you are straight-up fucked in terms of having a choice in employment. Hell, even with a car, my place of work is 4 miles away - if I had to walk/run/bike instead, it'd be much longer to get there (about 5 as it stands now), and nigh-impossible in certain weather conditions when I'd still have to be there anyway.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:14:27 AM by ironballs16

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#143756: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:10:15 AM

[up][up][up][up] Well, that's just more worship of the idolized version of Reagan that moderate Republicans are so in love with, which is completely discordant from the actual Reagan.


Nigh cult-like mentality among the far left who think "equal outcome" is the same as equal opportunity.

Islamic scripture promoting a repressive mentality (especially towards women) as indicated by statistics showing percentages of believers who want see opinions against it silenced.

Overzealous digital policing of social media and other outlets enforced by members of the more authoritarian left vying for influence.

Denouncing safe spaces and radical gender studies on college campuses.

Gonna call [citation needed] on most of those. But I think you already know that.
  • "Cult-like mentality" is a poison pill word with no semantic value.
  • I know Muslims who do not hold "repressive" views. So it's not universal, and if they want to see that mentality, they have only to look at certain Christian groups here in the U.S. It's not clear what that has to do with the message of feminism anyway.
  • "Policing of social media by authoritarian"... aaaand I stopped listening.
  • I think he means "safe spaces" in the sense of, "Manly men are being told they can't grope women or shout homophobic slurs wherever they want." And I have absolutely no idea what "radical gender studies" means, but I'd imagine it's an elective.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:10:29 AM by Fighteer

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#143757: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:13:10 AM

I think he means "safe spaces" in the sense of, "Manly men are being told they can't grope women or shout homophobic slurs wherever they want." And I have absolutely no idea what "radical gender studies" means, but I'd imagine it's an elective.
It's more of the "No journalists allowed despite this being a public area." type of safe spaces.

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Lost in Space
#143758: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:14:30 AM

Huh? Now I'm really curious to see some citations. And not links to his videos, please. I'm about to eat lunch.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:14:43 AM by Fighteer

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#143759: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:14:56 AM

[up][up]Journalists? Banned from certain public spaces for certain events? Cry me a fucking river.

[up]Well, if you focused on the food instead of the video you'd be enlightened to an identical extent...

edited 13th Oct '16 9:15:47 AM by Krieger22

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#143760: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:19:36 AM

@kkhohoho: Well, then I'd emphasize the need to keep the country afloat, and the best way to do that would be to vote for Hillary Clinton.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:20:46 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#143761: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:20:24 AM

[up][up]Well, it's "nicer" than being murdered, I suppose. But still, that doesn't seem kind of shady to you?

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Lost in Space
#143762: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:20:43 AM

@ironballs16: I covered that topic (the disenfranchisement of rural America) a bit here and here.

But anyway, even if they are being completely dismissed and disenfranchised by everyone, what is going to change that? Is some magic genie going to nuke the cities and stop them from being centers of economic power? Trump can't fix that even if he were inclined to, which he isn't.

[up] Umm, you aren't making sense. Are there public events where feminists are barring journalists because of the threat of violence? That sounds more like what I'd expect from Donald Trump rallies, and doesn't fit any kind of mental definition of "safe space" that I hold.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:22:36 AM by Fighteer

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#143763: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:21:46 AM

[up][up]What is that even in response to?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#143764: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:23:54 AM

Umm, you aren't making sense. Are there public events where feminists are excluding journalists under the threat of violence?
Uh yes.

That sounds more like what I'd expect from Donald Trump rallies, and doesn't fit any kind of mental definition of "safe space" that I hold.
Oh I know Donald's rallies are notorious for it. No denying.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:25:56 AM by nervmeister

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#143765: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:24:33 AM

Like?

Oh really when?
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#143766: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:25:45 AM

Source?

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Lost in Space
#143768: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:30:58 AM

That article makes no sense at all, and there is absolutely nothing in it stating or implying that a reporter was threatened with violence at a protest. It sounds like a woman who was trying to obstruct both police and journalists got fired from her job and is now suffering PTSD from the experience. It seems rather sad, all things being equal, but I can't pin down anything that places blame on "liberal culture".

edited 13th Oct '16 9:31:58 AM by Fighteer

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#143769: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:32:01 AM

Do you know what annoys me about some on the Left? The way they act like their criticism of Trump has to be legitimated beforehand by saying something in the variety of, "Don't get me wrong, both candidates are garbage, but...." It's pure sophistry, and it makes it seem like Hillary's own base is saying Hillary is just as much of a disgusting bastard as Trump is, except for one issue that ends up being the straw that broke the camel's back, when the gulf between them as leaders and as human beings is immense. Working against it is exhausting — convincing people to vote Democrat is a continual, months-long process of working against decades of a priori assumptions about her character that originated as right-wing smears, and no one realizes they've been punked until you tell it to them fifty times.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143770: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:34:16 AM

The woman in question sounds rather nuts and not representitive of university policy (given they fired her for pretty much attacking the student reporter). Also has nothing really to do with safe spaces.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:34:51 AM by Elle

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#143771: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:35:41 AM

@kkhohoho: So long as she's voting for Clinton, why don't you just let her believe Clinton is Gramdma Nixon? She may hate both candidates, but she is obviously not doing the "Both sides are the same" garbage since she understands that Clinton is the better choice relative to Trump. You are not going to convince anyone who believes Reagan is the last good president that either candidate is as good as Reagan. According to various polls, both candidates are the two most disliked ones with Trump being more disliked than Clinton. It is obvious that Clinton is going to be a very disliked President when she hopefully wins the election, especially considering you have both the people who dislike her but are voting for her because Trump scares them shitless and the people who voted for Trump over her that will be sore about losing.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#143772: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:35:50 AM

Isolated incidents do not make for a bigger trend within any political sphere.

[up]Let's hope the trend of her being well liked when she actually has the job continues when she's in office.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:36:43 AM by AceofSpades

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143773: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:36:46 AM

[up][up][up][up] I'm ashamed to say I was originally the same. I'm not sure exactly when or how that changed, but now I do respect and even admire HRC for her leadership qualities. I think she'll make a fine POTUS on her own merits and not just because "she's not Trump".

edited 13th Oct '16 9:37:36 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#143774: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:36:53 AM

@ nervmeister,

I am not entirely sure I am understand the situation, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with "safe spaces". Furthermore, that woman was fired, so the university wasn't even on her side on this.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#143775: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:37:56 AM

Also, Washington Times. Not exactly the most reputable of sources, but who gives a shit when you can get all your news from a meme page!

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

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