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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#143601: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:17:40 PM

[up]That's not her fault, though. Your comment made it sound like both campaigns were equally lacking in substance. Even if a lot of people think that's the case, that doesn't change what she (or Sanders for that matter) were actually saying and trying to get at.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143602: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:20:29 PM

[up]x3How many people listen to campaign speeches or platform points unless they're part of a debate, an ad or a candidate('s spokesperson) going on a tv show? I suspect very few people who aren't invested in watching politics the way other people watch sports or who watch 24 hour cable news.

edited 12th Oct '16 3:21:25 PM by Elle

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#143603: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:22:08 PM

[up][up] I never said it was her fault. At worst, it's our fault as a society which she is a part of. Sanders would have faced the same problem, and so would any conservativeintellectual running against a Hugo Chavez analogue. (Or Donald trump running on the democratic ticket.)

edited 12th Oct '16 3:31:51 PM by CaptainCapsase

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#143604: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:31:34 PM

As I predicted, 538 has Trump's percent chance of winning the Presidency fall to single-digits in their Now-Cast. Still too high in my opinion, but if Hillary can push Trump's chances down just another 9.3% I'll be happy.

In addition it appears that initial post-debate polls show that Trump did not get a bump from the second debate. This isn't terribly surprising since the consensus was that Clinton won, but but there was some question as to how it would impact the polls since the consensus was also that Trump exceeded expectations.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143605: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:35:26 PM

Side topic: Anyone know what resources there are for researching the candidates on local tickets (Congress, state, county, etc)? Wikipedia and Google obviously.

(I am not going to necessarily vote a straight D ticket sight unseen but any Republican that endorsed Trump in any way will be disqualified.)

edited 12th Oct '16 3:43:01 PM by Elle

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#143606: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:44:29 PM

I think On The Issues is considered a good resource for that. At least for the Senate and Congress. It also does have listings for some local politicians, not sure how comprehensive though.

edited 12th Oct '16 3:46:07 PM by AlleyOop

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#143607: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:46:56 PM

Trump Supporters' answer to 538 saying Trump would win if women weren't voting: repeal the 19th Amendment

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/12/trump-supporters-launch-effort-vote-women.html

Reminds me of an episode of The Man Show where the hosts did a bit about a petition to end womens' suffrage.

edited 12th Oct '16 3:48:17 PM by sgamer82

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#143608: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:48:48 PM

Man they just aren't even being subtle anymore are they?

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#143609: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:49:26 PM

I want to say this is a new low but is it really? A number of Trump supporters have worn the misogyny and racism on their sleeves for a while now. Not exactly a surprising development.

edited 12th Oct '16 3:49:49 PM by Draghinazzo

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#143610: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:53:55 PM

My state would still be blue if women's suffrage never happened. smile

edited 12th Oct '16 3:54:04 PM by CaptainCapsase

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#143611: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:55:56 PM

Gee, it's almost as if some of Trump's supporters know that a large turnout of women voters could stop their boy from getting elected.

edited 12th Oct '16 3:56:17 PM by BearyScary

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#143612: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:01:24 PM

It's a bit strange to me, because I've been mostly preoccupied with the racial angle of Trump's campaign for the last few months. I was aware of the misogyny but wasn't expecting that to be his downfall.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#143613: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:25:10 PM

[up] The 2005 tape is probably what pushed a lot of people over the edge in that place and brought Trump's misogyny to the forefront of the discussion.

Personally the 2005 tapes have pushed me to drop any pretext of being apologetic about voting for Clinton. Because I should not apologize for doing what little I can to keep someone who is unfit to run a pickup group in World of Warcraft note , let along the country, from becoming President.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#143614: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:25:39 PM

How many people are actually advocating for this? The GOP is sexist as hell but not this looks more like an alt-right thing than a GOP bread-and-butter push.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#143615: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:27:10 PM

The article only shows a few excerpts from alt-righters. I'm fairly sure the GOP officially isn't doing shit to promote the idea.

TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#143616: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:30:02 PM

Oh please. This is getting stupid. they have three, count em, THREE comments from freaking twitter. Then they turned that into "hurr dur all trump supporters want to stop women from voting! Panic everyone! Help help I'm being oppressed!"

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#143617: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:31:18 PM

Yeah, it's not like this is going to actually get any traction but it's still telling. I wonder if Trump will comment on it.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#143618: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:33:42 PM

The brand of misogyny of the GOP is different from Trump's and alt-right though.

The GOP treats women like they don't know better but also as if every women should have their sanctity preserved whether they like it or not, Trump on the other hand shows the kind of misogyny typical of men who not only see women as property but also disrespect the sacred vows of marriage and the chaste integrity of a family man.

Which is a big no-no for traditional and religious conservatives.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#143620: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:34:29 PM

Then again Politicus is blatantly leftist-partisan in its own way, and thus inclined to paint this as clandestine actions of the mainstream GOP. Which is pretty disingenuous, though nothing's changing the fact that those tweets exist.

[up]

Jennings had been considering becoming a Democrat for years as he grew increasingly dissatisfied with the way the Republican Party had trended toward the fringes, turning “moderate” into a dirty word, he said. And as his children, two daughters in college and a son in high school, continued to ask their dad why he still identified as a Republican, Jennings said the question continued to grow harder to answer.

Telling.

edited 12th Oct '16 4:35:48 PM by AlleyOop

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#143621: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:35:15 PM

I doubt most Republicans are actually in favor of repealing the 19th Amendment.

Anyway, Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war.

...How concerned should we be about this?

Oh God! Natural light!
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143622: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:38:49 PM

[up]

Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

Not too seriously...yet.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#143623: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:39:35 PM

None whatsoever, Putin has no interest in nuclear war and very few people outside of him actually have any power.

It'd be like if someone took a quote from some random Texan lawmaker and said it's evidence that America is going to fall into a civil war. The dude is a nobody.

Oh really when?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#143624: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:41:41 PM

It's not a big deal until it comes from Putin himself.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#143625: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:42:46 PM

Right, so...if Putin starts making "subtle" hints about nuclear weapons, what should be done then?

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