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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143301: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:29:42 PM

[up][up][up]I would trust that guy only so far as that he'd be trusted to give the Official State Position but I still wouldn't rule out Trump being mostly a useful idiot to the Kremlin rather than being a true puppet. The way he's gone into Villainous Breakdown mode and whipping up his base we may still have a mess on our hands even after he loses.

edited 11th Oct '16 2:29:57 PM by Elle

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#143302: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:34:20 PM

You know what the worst part about this creepy shit is, for me? In a Bojack Horseman sort of way, I look at that guy and think "If my I had made a few wrong turns in my life, I could have ended up just like him".

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#143303: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:36:37 PM

Adding to the reiteration: Nobody here believes that Trump is a Russian plant, just that he's a useful idiot for their imperial ambitions, and the Obama administration (plus Clinton) have promised to curtail those. Putin puts his influence where he thinks it'll get him the most favorable geopolitical outcome, and he sees this election as a golden opportunity to engineer a United States that will allow him wide latitude to annex and bully his neighbors, and to shift the balance of global power away from NATO.

@Ramidel: Let's not beat the abortion hobby horse; it's a deprecated topic for a good reason. I'll just leave it that if abortion opponents want to be taken seriously, they must provide easily accessible adoption for the mothers who would be forced to carry to term under their ideology; they must allow for universal access to free contraception, family planning, and maternal healthcare; and they must provide exceptions in cases of rape or incest, where the mother's life is threatened, and/or where the child has serious defects that would prevent it from living a functional life. They must also not criminalize the act of abortion itself. Nothing less will actually work, no matter what anyone's beliefs are.

edited 11th Oct '16 2:42:39 PM by Fighteer

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#143304: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:42:35 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think he would have had a chance against Obama. Clinton at least has a bunch of scandals surrounding her (regardless of how legitimate they might be) - Obama, as far as I know, doesn't have anything of the sort. True, Trump could have pushed the birtherism angle, but actually saying these things to Obama's face? I can't imagine he would have taken that lying down.

And really, I think the current polls show Trump doesn't really have what it takes to go against Clinton - he would have gotten wrecked if went up against Obama.

[up][up] I've considering something along those lines myself a few times. It's certainly a sobering thought.

[up] ...I mean, I agree with you, but that kind of just sounds like the pro-choice position, unless I'm misunderstanding things.

edited 11th Oct '16 2:48:13 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#143305: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:51:41 PM

Wait, if Trump is a germophobe, how can he go around groping women?

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#143306: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:51:44 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that's why a lot of pro-choicers facepalm around pro-lifers. "We would be fine with giving up abortions if you weren't trying to get rid of all these things that make abortions unnecessary in the first place!" Nobody wants to get an abortion. They just get in situations where it's the only option available.

edited 11th Oct '16 2:52:00 PM by Discar

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#143307: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:55:46 PM

[up][up][up]Not really. Pro-choice is typically "you can have an abortion whenever you want, so long as the pregnancy isn't so advanced that it's dangerous, but no one needs to guarantee your kid adoption or anything like that; if you choose to give life, it's your funeral". Pro-life is "we'll make you carry the pregnancy out, unless it comes from abuse, but at least we'll take care of you while you're pregnant, and of the baby afterwards."

[up]Precisely.

edited 11th Oct '16 2:56:31 PM by TheHandle

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#143308: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:55:48 PM

[up][up][up]...O.K, I have never heard of that before. Care to explain, please?

edited 11th Oct '16 2:56:14 PM by fredhot16

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#143309: Oct 11th 2016 at 2:56:28 PM

Okay, I'm terrible at summarizing things. Sorry, it's been a long day.

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#143310: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:02:25 PM

@fredhot, if you're asking about Trump and women, have you seriously avoided any scrap of news since Friday? Someone dug out him archive video of him getting caught on a hot mic boasting about basically assaulting women and some women have since come forward to say he's kissed/touched them without consent. It's been the biggest story of the week and sent Trump's campaign into a tailspin.

If you mean him being a germaphobe, I have no idea. If you mean someone else's post you might wanna fix that.

edited 11th Oct '16 3:07:50 PM by Elle

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#143311: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:06:08 PM

I'm pretty sure they were talking about Trump being a germaphobe.

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#143312: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:09:29 PM

[up][up]I've heard about it. I've also heard his "apology" from a NPR podcast that my brother was playing. I believe that, at the time, I've said, and I quote, "I would rather listen to my diarrhea then hear him talk". Disgusting, yes, but a uncontrollable wave of feces erupting from my anus would have one point that would make it more aurally acceptable: at least it's coming from somewhere smarter then his brain. Petty, yes, but I still argue it's true.

I was confused about the whole "germaphobe" thing. I have NEVER heard that before.

Here's more clarification: Beary Scary-"Wait, if Trump is a germophobe, how can he go around groping women?"

edited 11th Oct '16 3:14:10 PM by fredhot16

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#143313: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:12:21 PM

I have heard of him being a germophobe who doesn't like to shake hands, but didn't he shake the hand of that woman at the end of the infamous tape?

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#143314: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:35:46 PM

At first I read "germanophobe", and I thought it was about him insulting Angela Merkel.

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#143315: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:38:52 PM

[up][up]I...I am disgusted with what I think is the truth here and only because I think it's in character for him.

He just made that up or acted like it so he wouldn't have to shake people's hands. Or he could have just done the handshake that one time because he wanted to seem mildly polite for once. Both are possible though I lean towards the former because, hey, here's another thing he lied about for the sake of dickishness and couldn't even keep up THAT facade. Wouldn't surprise me if it was the honest-to-God truth.

Where did that tape come from anyway? Who released it? And why the hell would they just say things when they should know they have microphones? They DID know they had microphones, right? Apologies if my questions sound too obvious.

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#143316: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:42:43 PM

Billy Bush was hosting Trump on the show Access Hollywood, when Trump was scheduled to make a guest appearance on a daytime soap opera. They were miked up for the shoot when the banter occurred, and unbeknownst to Trump, the mics were recording. Bush may or may not have known at the time, but he certainly knew at some point because he bragged about the tape's existence to his colleagues at NBC during the Rio Olympics.

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#143317: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:45:16 PM

I do not recall any of Snowden's leaks revealing that anyone in the NSA was breaking any laws. Quite the opposite: the surveillance conducted by the NSA was explicitly authorized by the PATRIOT Act.
IIRC the point was that the Patriot Act itself is (or at least should be) unconstitutional violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments?
I'll feel sorry for Trump just as soon as he stops screwing everyone.
I won't until he can demonstrate some actual, genuine repentance for the shit he's caused over this life - a situation I find somewhat less likely than an all-Libertarian Senate.
what exactly Trump supporters will do, should Trump lose the election. He's started saying that it'll be rigged again
If the interviews by Samantha Bee's team are anything to go by, the election is only rigged if Trump loses. If he wins, then obviously it was fair.

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#143318: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:49:02 PM

[up][up][up] It came from the archives of Access Hollywood - I believe they retrieved it after an AP piece about Trump's misogyny. NBC, however, was debating whether to edit Billy Bush's audio out of the recording, which led to the Washington Post scooping it from them.

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edited 11th Oct '16 3:50:03 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#143319: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:50:55 PM

[up][up][up] Daytime soap opera? Was it "Ghosts can't Do It"?

[up] Ah, thank you. That question has been on my mind about this tape since it came out.

edited 11th Oct '16 3:51:36 PM by fredhot16

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#143320: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:51:38 PM

Actually, I think it was "Days of Our Lives".

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#143321: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:52:41 PM

[up]...Is that better or worse? Also, was he going as himself on the show or as a character?

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#143322: Oct 11th 2016 at 3:59:32 PM

Is it poor journalism or something if Trump didn't know he had a mic and it was on?

...How could he not have known that he had a mic?

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#143323: Oct 11th 2016 at 4:00:29 PM

Obviously, Trump was not in character when he was arriving on set. [up] He had a mic on. He did not know it was recording.

As for the Patriot Act, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it constitutional. That makes it constitutional, by law, whether we agree with it or not.

edited 11th Oct '16 4:01:06 PM by Fighteer

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#143324: Oct 11th 2016 at 4:02:18 PM

[up]I meant in the " Days Of Our Lives" episode he was supposed to be a guest star in. Was he guest starring as himself or was he supposed to be some other dude?

[up][up]I also want to point out, like the above just did, that he KNEW he had a mic, he didn't know it was on. William Bush, however, seemed to have known and kept his mouth shut about it as far as he knew.

edited 11th Oct '16 4:16:39 PM by fredhot16

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#143325: Oct 11th 2016 at 4:02:18 PM

At first I read "germanophobe", and I thought it was about him insulting Angela Merkel.

He'll manage that too given enough time.

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