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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'm going to say this, even if Trump is going into a Villainous Breakdown, we need to keep up the campaign against him, in order to make sure he loses this election.
People were so sure about the Brexit not happening or Colombia making a peace deal with their rebels, but they still ended up failing.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."This is the daftest thing I've read all day
, and I've been reading stories about Trump, otherwise.
Brexit was a close vote in a country teeming with Euroscepticism; it's not the same thing as here, where Trump has earned the hatred of everyone he needs in order to win. By all means, the Dems need to keep up the heat, but it's important not to become too paranoid.
edited 11th Oct '16 9:54:46 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."@nervmeister: Well, I think we tend to worry, and it's what's in the news more often.
If you want to discuss that, then I'm sure we can, though providing a link or two might help facilitate such a discussion.
edited 11th Oct '16 9:53:59 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Basically: a willingness to face the consequences of your actions is part and parcel of making a noble stand against an unjust law. We don't have laws for protecting lawbreakers in case they're secretly right.
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The sick thing is that, if Hillary had rejected Bill and divorced him or otherwise turned on him, she'd be getting accused right now of being a faithless wife.
Edit: My secondary concern right now is that the tilting of votes in favor of Democrats this election won't last; that the anti-Trump backlash will wear off and things will revert to form with Democratic complacency costing them the midterms in 2018.
edited 11th Oct '16 9:57:20 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
The GOP hates Hillary. There is literally nothing she could do that they would not try to spin into a real life Moral Event Horizon.
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I also agree that we can't be complacent. Every Democrat should vote as if the polls were neck in neck.
edited 11th Oct '16 9:59:12 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedExactly. I mean seriously, she remarked privately to a friend that she thought the woman was "a loony toon?" We're upset about this? By the standards of "comments made by wronged wives" that's remarkably generous. This is not news. Hell, it wouldn't be news if she'd called her every name in the book and expressed the wish for her to be run over by a cement mixer. Because those are the things people who have been cheated on say in those situations.
My brother's ex-girlfriend cheated on him. As you can imagine, he said some less than charitable things about the guy she was cheating with. I, for my part, said some even less charitable things about her. I may, in fact, have told my brother that she was a worthless bitch and that I no longer cared if she got hit by a bus. And somehow, in the minds of some people, those comments, made to my brother in a moment of anger about the girl who'd just put him through the emotional wringer, are supposed to disqualify either of us from ever holding public office? Like hell.
Saying nasty things in private about people who have hurt you is not a disqualifying action. Saying them in public might be. Actually trying to run them over (be it with cement mixer or bus) certainly would be. But stuff said in private about people who've hurt you? Who gives a good goddamn?
edited 11th Oct '16 10:03:11 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
...I'll be honest, I'm a little perturbed by this, because the accusations that were made against Bill Clinton in this case weren't that he cheated on his wife, but that he had committed sexual assault and rape.
If that is indeed the case, wouldn't that make Hillary's comments seem...well, worse?
Oh God! Natural light!Given that she presumably believed Bill was innocent, no.
Seriously, you want to take the general public to task over our refusal, as a culture, to believe that alleged rape victims are telling the truth, that's fine. You want to take the wives of men who've just been accused to task for what they say in private? Develop some empathy.
Right, my apologies, that was insensitive of me.
I suppose what was on my mind right then was the allegations by Bill's rape accuser that Hillary had made thinly veiled threats against her (or something along those lines).
Oh God! Natural light!There are allegations that it went beyond name calling, namely hiring a private investigator to dig into their lives and paint the worst possible picture of them. They are unproven/unproovable but don't come from sources that can be dismissed out of hand.
All that was said about her believing Bill (and believing that it was a right-wing conspiracy) still applies but would rank among the more troubling of things she's done if true.
edited 11th Oct '16 10:15:35 AM by Elle
Yes, those were essentially my concerns, thank you.
Anyway, I don't know if this has already been posted, but it seems that Trump's FDA plan is concerning
, to say the least.
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That said, there is an actual right-wing conspiracy against HRC. It's called the GOP.
Wanna bet that the main reason Trump wants to cut the FDA is petty payback for the FDA frequently pointing out that his restaurants fail their health inspections?
edited 11th Oct '16 10:32:02 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedIs it true that Trump's restaurants fail health inspections? That wouldn't surprise me at all.
edited 11th Oct '16 10:34:42 AM by BearyScary
Do not obey in advance.No bet. It's Trump. Everything he does is to satisfy a petty grudge. Hell, one of his spokespeople even outright stated that this entire Presidential campaign is an attempt at getting revenge on Obama for cracking jokes about him.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I have a lot of trouble criticizing someone for what they do in an attempt to clear a loved one's name. Again, I think we can criticize rape culture and societal attitudes towards sexual assault without condemning the wives (and parents and children and siblings) who don't believe that their loved one is guilty of it (sidenote: I am not, of course, referring to people like the parents of the Standford rapist who know exactly what he did and want to pretend it's not a crime). If I were to be arrested for a crime tomorrow I can pretty much guarantee you that, no matter what the crime was, be it sexual assault or knocking over a bank, that my fiancee and my parents would believe I was innocent and would, barring a confession, continue to believe that and do everything they could to prove it. That's just how people are wired.
This perhaps goes double for Hillary Clinton who has, over the course of her life, seen her husband been accused of every crime in the book from rape to murder to dealing cocaine. Of course she didn't believe his accuser, and of course she did everything she could to discredit the accusations. After seeing all the other bogus charges the right-wing had leveled at her husband—and at herself—why do people suddenly expect her to believe these ones and to take the charges lying down? Even if Bill's accuser is telling the complete and unvarnished truth, the hard right cried wolf so many times that it's impossible for me to blame Hillary for thinking this was just another manufactured scandal. Let's suppose she did hire a PI. What do you suppose she was looking for? The usual "this woman gets around and therefore must have consented" BS? Or evidence that she was on the GOP payroll?
edited 11th Oct '16 10:52:40 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
edited 11th Oct '16 10:43:45 AM by NativeJovian
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Well, it's not the most high-minded reason to run for office, true. But on a human level, it's understandable. In fact, sometimes spite is the greatest motivator of all to do something with your life (though it doesn't guarantee you'll be competent at it).
edited 11th Oct '16 10:46:33 AM by nervmeister

I love how everyone on the right from Fox to Morning Joe wants to bring up Bill Clinton in an effort to take away from Trump's comments about women. Is Bill a cheating sleaze? Sure. Did he ever brag about how women can't refuse him when he grabs them by the genetalia? No. Bill's never been convicted of anything, and has never admitted to anything other than being a cheat. Trump admitted on tape to sexual assault. The two things are not comparable in the least.
As for "Hillary insulted the women Bill slept with," I hate the fact that anybody tries to make that a thing. A wife namecalling the women her husband cheated with? The horror. Because that's never happened before in the history of the nation. Every time that comes up, I can't help but wonder, if it was a husband calling his wife's boyfriend an asshole would we be having this conversation? For that matter, if it was any other woman namecalling her husband's girlfriend would we be having this conversation? If she sent the Secret Service after them or something equally over the top, that'd be a conversation. Insulting them in a private conversation with a friend? That's not news.
edited 11th Oct '16 9:54:12 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar