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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142901: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:06:06 PM

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/09/497056227/fact-check-clinton-and-trump-debate-for-the-second-time is the transcript but you did say synopsius. Town hall format, first 15 min or so focused on the Trump Tapes as they're now being called, Trump did dig out Bill Clinton's affairs and brought in the threat to get Hillary jailed by a special preceutor, more policy stuff managed to get covered than the first debate but nothing really new. Trump had much less energy (guess why), Clinton was on the defensive a bit (the leaked parts of her speaches and the public face, private face thing did get brought up to which her answer was mostly giving context), but this isn't likely to save Trump's tailspin.

Addendum: I don't mind people in general going over time if what they're saying has substance and they work to wrap it up as best they can. Clinton's supposedly known for going over time a lot because she likes to get very detailed.

edited 9th Oct '16 9:08:38 PM by Elle

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#142902: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:09:31 PM

[up][up] Why, thank you for the recap. Seems pretty standard (for the current, degraded, definition of 'standard') from what you're describing. What's this all about Trump threatening to throw Hillary in jail or somesuch?

[up] EDIT: I see. Isn't the president tampering with the judicial system like that, and have it go on witch hunts against specific people, kinda... I dunno, illegal, unethical?

edited 9th Oct '16 9:21:59 PM by LogoP

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#142903: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:11:16 PM

You know, Trump's continued "30 years of nothing" spiel really hammers in the point that people tend to expect too much from individual politicians.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#142904: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:11:26 PM

The Chaners are tearing themselves apart over the debate, the /pol/tards and Trump redditers are raiding the online polls over the debate.

Trump was on the offensive all the time and deflected most of the questions which probably annoyed everyone watching, then he basically consolidated himself even more with his deplorable base, specially with his punchlines such as "she'd be in jail". Hillary actually tried to address the subjects that were brought up most of the time but kept going over the time limit and had to spend a lot of time defending herself from Trump's statements, however Trumps constant attacks over those ''scandals" didn't make her look good.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#142905: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:11:42 PM

Trump threatening Clinton with jail is really scaring a lot of people, and it really should.

Also, he made it incredibly obvious that he knows next to nothing about what the American government actually is. He seemed to conflate a Senator with a Governor, didn't understand what a Senator actually did, made it obvious that he doesn't understand Obamacare and made it really obvious that he has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to the refugee situation. "We have no idea where these people are from." They're the Syrian refugees. They're from Syria. If they were from Lebanon or Iran or something, they wouldn't be part of the program because there really is extremely extensive vetting.

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#142906: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:19:53 PM

Yeah Trump's 30 years line just shows how he doesn't understand what it's like to not have total power and control, the man has never had anyone say no to him in his life, he doesn't understand that people can do that, in his mind Clinton has had ultimate power for 30 years and done nothing with it.

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#142907: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:24:48 PM

Which is what makes him so appealing among the uneducated. Because they share his logic train. "YEAH! Hillary has been sitting on all this power and never fixed the world! She could have done it at any moment if she cared even the slightest bit but she never did!"

A lot of people really don't understand how our government works.

edited 9th Oct '16 9:25:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#142908: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:30:11 PM

I didn't see the debate, but it sounds like Trump actually succeeding in making Clinton look weak at times. It's a good thing that it's (probably) too late for a meaningful comeback. I hope.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#142909: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:34:02 PM

Trump didn't implode, but Clinton still outperformed him. He needed a total and undisputed victory to even have a chance to recover his numbers at this point.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#142910: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:34:50 PM

Derek Thompson ‏@DK Thomp 36 minutes ago Once again: American women and minorities are saving the republic, and possibly the world, from this appalling cretin.

This cannot be overstated.

edited 9th Oct '16 9:35:06 PM by TacticalFox88

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#142911: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:35:51 PM

Yeah, after seeing that "Because you'd be in jail" moment on You Tube... he got her there. And she realised it, too. The crowd was out for blood.

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#142912: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:36:18 PM

I mean, when even Fox News's heavily neoconservative audience can't mask how hard Hillary crushed Trump - even at Fox, Hillary's leading 56% to 44% on the question of who won the debate - I don't think she's got much to worry about from a Trump comeback.

edited 9th Oct '16 9:37:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#142913: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:44:00 PM

Polls also show Trump exceeded expectations. That might bring wayward Republicans back into the fold. Not enough to win but perhaps enough to stop the bleeding and settle in for a decisive but non-landslide loss.

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#142914: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:44:44 PM

[up] That seems to be CNN's stance, from what I can tell.

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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#142915: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:44:57 PM

But Trump (and his followers) doesn't care about Fox News. It's been 'compromised' by the establishment. Breibart is where it's at.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#142916: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:53:53 PM

"Did better than expected" doesn't necessarily mean much. If you go in expecting him to be terrible and he was a little less terrible than you envisioned, that still doesn't mean you think he did well.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:10:58 PM by LSBK

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#142917: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:01:52 PM

Yeah, the bar was set very low for Trump. And he still came off as a bit predatory and fascistic to a lot of people. Which would be bad enough on its own but even worse given the recent leaked tape.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#142918: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:02:59 PM

Getting happy on Trump doing better than expected is like going into a plane expecting it to crash and burn and be happy it just crashed.

But of course the Trump supporters consider that a win.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142919: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:03:06 PM

What would Donald Trump's Department of Justice look like? (NPR)

This is from August but linked to in tonight's context. The closest comparison we currently have would be Watergate-era Nixon administration.

Addendum: I forgot where I saw it and think it was Vox, but a lot would also depend on the civil service bureaucrats. If they are told to do things that are illegial or against internal policy, they face trouble if they follow through and the action is later prosecuted, so their best option is to resign "as loudly and publicly as the law allows" and make their case in the press.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:19:24 PM by Elle

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#142920: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:07:27 PM

Trump also hurt himself with Establishment Republicans with his comments on Pence.

One other thing on the Trump tape thing, apparently #Not All Men has been trending at one point, thing is it's not directed at women complaining about sexual assault, it's being directed at the Trump supporters claiming that what Trump said was something all men say.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#142921: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:11:22 PM

Jake Tapper: "Final thoughts, Van?" Van Jones: "Trump praised Putin and Assad, he minimized sexual assault, he trashed Pence, and threatened to jail Clinton, and it was his best night in a week."

No lies detected

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#142922: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:35:50 PM

So, assuming that Trump doesn't bomb the 3rd debate and that no more damning scandals hit him, does anyone think he has a chance to stage a comeback?

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142923: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:37:25 PM

To win? No. Something equally devastating would have to happen to Hillary for that to be likely, I think.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#142924: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:58:57 PM

I'm very sure Hillary won this debate - Trump came off as deranged and at times like he was having a health crisis.

The sheer cynicism on here - Capsase in particular - is grating. I feel a sense of triumph and come on here and see...this.

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#142925: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:59:01 PM

does anyone know if this debate had a spin room? and if so, did Trump both staying around for it like the last one?

[up] that was me at he last debate. felt nice.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:59:45 PM by Jetyl

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