TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#142551: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:54:35 PM

Here's the video in question for those of us who haven't seen it yet.

I think the top comments are very worth posting:

"This just makes him cooler in my opinion." - 124 likes

"This just makes him cooler in my opinion." - All Trump supporting man-boys everywhere." - 124 likes

"I really don't give a shit." - 114 likes

"He sounds more like a college frat boy than a presidential candidate." - 100 likes

"Every man I've ever known has talked the same way when among other men. Trump / Pence 2016." -77 likes

"This is typical guy talk. I'm not even a Donald Trump supporter." - 64 likes

"He was pretty respectfull in his trashtalk. I talk a lot more vulgar being around the boys." - 52 likes

_______

I think the most interesting thing about the video is how seemingly courteous and composed Trump is once he steps off the bus towards the end. It stands in stark contrast to his bombastic behavior today. He also seems to have been quite thinner in 2005 as well.

edited 9th Oct '16 1:58:42 PM by FluffyMcChicken

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#142552: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:56:06 PM

God I miss Mitt Romney.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#142553: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:57:20 PM

@Beary Scary: Well, Trump was dumped from The Apprentice because of his bigotry to Hispanics way back when his presidential campaign started. Trump's comments during the presidential run is the reason why he's no longer going to be host of The Apprentice. And that was NBC's doing given Burnett is still fully on the Trump train.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:00:32 PM by GameGuruGG

Wizard Needs Food Badly
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#142554: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:01:49 PM

Man, screw Mark Burnett if that's true (threatening his employees, that is). Is that even legal?

Y'know, for the self-declared "law and order" candidate, there sure is a lot of iffy stuff lingering around him.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:03:21 PM by BearyScary

Do not obey in advance.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#142555: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:09:25 PM

[up] It is because there are legally-binding contracts which must be obliged. A better person would have pointed out these contracts and the issue of trust being the reason why the company couldn't release the videos and still denounce Trump completely.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:10:10 PM by GameGuruGG

Wizard Needs Food Badly
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#142556: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:39:44 PM

"Every man talks like this when among other men." I used to know one guy who talked like that in high school. He actually got slapped on a regular basis because he really didn't know how to tone it down.

I'll bet these people are the same ones who would freak out if gay guys talked about them that way, but if you point that out, all they do is focus in on the "gay" part and ignore the objectification part.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142558: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:45:43 PM

[up]Oh yeah. Seeing private prisons go belly-up would help facilitate solutions to quite a few problems, while hopefully not leaving too "complicated" of an aftermath.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:46:07 PM by nervmeister

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#142559: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:46:50 PM

[up][up][up]It also ignores that even if it's common, it doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with it.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:59:07 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#142560: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:48:11 PM

[up] Which is kind of the issue with those "everyone does it" defenders of Trump's latest fiasco

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#142561: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:56:14 PM

[up] "If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." — Anatole France.

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142562: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:03:37 PM

[up][up]Is the problem that everyone does it or that not enough do it in private?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#142563: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:04:25 PM

[up]x4 Agreed. If we dismiss what Trump said as "typical guy talk" (something I would strongly disagree with given my own personal experiences) then there is something seriously wrong with "typical guy talk" in our culture.

I don't see how getting away with outright sexual assault, which is what Trump was doing, is something that we should be seen as anything less then horrifying even in the most informal of settings.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:07:23 PM by Falrinn

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#142564: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:05:42 PM

I am hardly a typical "alpha male", but I've never talked that way about any person, in public or private, in my life.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#142565: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:07:25 PM

I've heard people talk that way about others, but never said such a thing myself.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#142566: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:08:00 PM

I've lived with a few men who'd say stuff like that during last semester.

It really made me uncomfortable, my other friends however wouldn't engage in this much vulgarity while talking about women or groping without consent.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:48:07 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#142567: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:12:58 PM

I've know a few people who talked like that, which usually made me few uncomfortable. But even them don't use that tone when talking about actual explicit sexual assault. I think there is a huge line between being overly vulgar and actually promoting sexual harassment.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142568: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:15:33 PM

I am hardly a typical "alpha male", but I've never talked that way about any person, in public or private, in my life.
Well certainly not in some leperous "....you can get em' to do whatever ya want!" sort of way. More in terms of simply being sexually attracted to someone.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:16:44 PM by nervmeister

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#142569: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:18:56 PM

[up]I think you mean lecherous, not leprous. (Although it is somewhat like leprosy, in the sense that's it's repulsive and normal people seek to distance themselves from it...)

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#142570: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:19:08 PM

Well, to be honest, I think everyone already knew that Trump has zero class. So, this won't change many people's opinion on him.

But, to address the question: Trump reminds me of all those assholes I hated in Middle School. In any event, the president should be a strong and proper gentleman/lady-above the regular joe. Trump is vulgar and weak.

Leviticus 19:34
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#142571: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:20:32 PM

[up][up][up] There is nothing wrong with expressing sexual attraction to someone, as long as the setting is appropriate. ("Hi, boss. I'd like to fuck you." "I'm calling HR.") What is wrong is talking about that person as if you would perform sexual acts on them without their consent.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:22:48 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#142572: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:30:06 PM

So, in the future, when high school history textbooks devote a few paragraphs to this election, do you think they'll just talk about the social and political movements that led to the result, or do you think "grab them by the pussy" will be in there as a significant quote?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142573: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:30:22 PM

[up][up]Well, yeah. That's a red flag for any potential partner.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:31:17 PM by nervmeister

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#142574: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:36:27 PM

Let me be clear... What Trump said isn't typical guy talk. In private with other men, straight men will certainly talk about how attractive women are, but it is akin to how straight women or gay men might talk about how attractive men are while in private. What Trump said is how he can use his wealth and power to control women which is far nastier than what one expects from typical guy talk.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:40:15 PM by GameGuruGG

Wizard Needs Food Badly
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#142575: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:38:32 PM

[up][up][up] Social media will probably merit a mention, yes. As for that quote, I think we might still need to wait a few weeks - tonight, for instance, could provide something even more damning.

I've been watching some videos of past presidential debates, and I've been wondering - do you guys think there are any particular moments - it can be as small as a single remark - that more or less won/lost a candidate the election?

edited 9th Oct '16 3:38:51 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!

Total posts: 417,856
Top