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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#142476: Oct 9th 2016 at 7:06:40 AM

[up][up]They don't understand the underlying principles of civility.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#142477: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:03:04 AM

But can you honestly claim they have that volatile "boys will be boys" mindset that indirectly enables these sorts of crimes?
A conversation about rape culture, while welcome, isn't entirely on-topic for the politics thread. It's probably better for the Sexism thread or the US Culture thread (depending on whether you want to talk about it as a gender issue or an American society issue).

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#142478: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:03:13 AM

And if you find people who spurn the idea of "rape culture" and yet are more than glad to see rapists held accountable and punished for their actions?

I am not sure how what you said relates to my premise.

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#142480: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:08:13 AM

And if you find people who spurn the idea of "rape culture" and yet are more than glad to see rapists held accountable and punished for their actions?......

Id ask what exactly they feel the idea of Rape Culture is and why they're spurning it, as it's entirely possible they believe that the idea of Rape Culture is something different from what it is and our spurning the idea based on a misconception. The same way you get people who hate Feminism because they think it's about giving women power and control over men.

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#142481: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:10:13 AM

[up][up] Let's face it: if the last few months did nothing to dissuade them, nothing will.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#142482: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:15:26 AM

And if you find people who spurn the idea of "rape culture" and yet are more than glad to see rapists held accountable and punished for their actions?......

It is the difference between "man attacks woman in the alley and rapes her" versus "Dude, just give her those drinks and she'll do whatever ya want". Guess which one those guys think it isn't rape.

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#142483: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:25:02 AM

The Trump Tapes might not hurt him that much among Republicans, the hope is that it will kill him among swing voters and keep his campaign off balance longer so that he doesn't have time to pull out of his death spiral.

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#142484: Oct 9th 2016 at 8:30:09 AM

Holy shit, this is definitely bad for Trump in that it's definitely alienating the less crazy parts of the GOP. Reince Preibus going as far as to direct the RNC to cut off all support to Trump's campaign in favor of trying to hold the line in Congress alone is a huge deal.

Still, what happens next is gonna be interesting. But seeing the GOP tear itself in half over Trump is incredible.

edited 9th Oct '16 8:31:04 AM by Cronosonic

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142486: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:07:00 AM

Id ask what exactly they feel the idea of Rape Culture is and why they're spurning it, as it's entirely possible they believe that the idea of Rape Culture is something different from what it is and our spurning the idea based on a misconception. The same way you get people who hate Feminism because they think it's about giving women power and control over men.
Well, given the heavy-handedness of the term, I'd think it's a culture where rape is actively encouraged and celebrated, if not made outright legal. Only thing I can think of so far that fits that mold is when people feel there's no problem with a criminal convicted of some heinous crime (which ironically includes rape) getting raped in prison - even going so far as to joke about or relish it.

edited 9th Oct '16 9:19:28 AM by nervmeister

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#142487: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:07:38 AM

Yeah that sounds about right for a lot of places.

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142488: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:10:00 AM

[up][up] In the U.S. at least, "rape culture" seems to be confusion over what rape actually is. We're taught that Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil. The problem is that a lot of people in America have a rather...narrow...definition of what counts as rape.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142490: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:42:20 AM

[up][up]Well using physical force or mind-altering methods applied either without knowlege or consent both involve reducing someone's agency. So I'd say that counts. Creepily staring at someone, on the other hand, is pushing it (though it warrants suspicion).

edited 9th Oct '16 9:48:44 AM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#142491: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:48:00 AM

[up] It warrants suspicion, but it's also just invasive in general.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142492: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:51:44 AM

[up]But if no physical contact whatsoever is made by either party, then calling it "rape" is still stretching.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#142493: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:54:02 AM

I won't deny that, but then, I don't think anyone here was saying it was rape.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#142494: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:55:02 AM

Rape Culture isn't just about men raping women. It's also about disrespecting women in general and viewing them as pieces of meat.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#142495: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:00:43 AM

[up]Not just women: justifying the objectifying of anybody is the first step on the "well, it's not that huge a deal" excuse train that can escalate to "well, it's OK if he did it: sports stars are randy, you know" and other "boys will be boys" excuses that can even cover those who target young boys. :|

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142496: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:00:48 AM

[up][up]Shouldn't it be called "Objectfication Culture" instead, then? It's naive to disregard the fact that the term "rape" is loaded to hell and back.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:02:42 AM by nervmeister

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#142497: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:01:17 AM

Not really

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#142498: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:01:48 AM

Makes me think of Granny Weatherwax in the Discworld book Carpe Jugulum, she tells a pastor that "sin begins when you think of people as things"

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#142499: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:03:58 AM

The elevator pitch for rape culture goes something like

Society perpetuates ideas about sexuality and consent that contribute to an atmosphere wherein victims are reluctant to come forward and rapists might not believe they've actually raped someone. The ideas and behaviors that contribute to this are both large and small: believing that a survivor must make a physical attempt to hold off their attacker or they secretly wanted it, believing that a survivor's behavior influences whether or not a rapist will rape and treating the other sex as objects all contribute to rape culture.

Trumps comments are text book rape culture.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#142500: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:07:14 AM

Makes me think of Granny Weatherwax in the Discworld book Carpe Jugulum, she tells a pastor that "sin begins when you think of people as things"

[up][up]That's going into "thoughtcrime" territory.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:08:37 AM by nervmeister


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