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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#142351: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:24:43 AM

While I know the veto thing was nearly the entire Senate, I can't help but think that the Republican party keeps playing political chicken. They'll do something outrageous like stop the veto on an untenable bill, indulge Trump's position in the primaries, or obstruct the Supreme Court nomination, apparently completely certain that things will go the way they want without ever realizing how badly things can (and have been) backfiring with senators trying to backtrack out of the bill, Trump damaging the Republican name, and Clinton's victory helping guarantee a more liberal Justice in Scalia's place then if they had just gone with Obama in the first place.

edited 8th Oct '16 9:25:12 AM by sgamer82

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#142352: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:25:19 AM

I wonder if they'll repeal that part of the bill, tucked away in some other bill, just to avoid the headache.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#142353: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:26:07 AM

[up][up] Their chances of the GOP retaining the senate are up quite a bit last I checked, which suggested they did indeed abandon Trump a while ago, as far as funding goes, so we might be stuck with an 8 person supreme court.

edited 8th Oct '16 9:26:51 AM by CaptainCapsase

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#142354: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:32:04 AM

Funding for them might be up. but thats not the sole indicator of success. They still have to win against their democratic rivals, and not all will.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#142355: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:34:15 AM

Some local (for me) fallout from the latest Trump debacle, an Idaho senator has withdrawn support for Trump.

Idaho’s Crapo withdraws endorsement, urges GOP to replace Trump

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/election/article106926957.html

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#142357: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:39:44 AM

Have none of these people been paying attention to what Trump's been doing for the last several years? It's like they conveniently ignored him being a misogynist until they had some big recent scandal forcing them to stop pretending he wasn't.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#142358: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:00:16 AM

Have none of these people been paying attention to what Trump's been doing for the last several years? It's like they conveniently ignored him being a misogynist until they had some big recent scandal forcing them to stop pretending he wasn't.
That's pretty much exactly it. Though I wonder how many did so because they agreed with him and how many were because they just wanted a Republican in the White House

edited 8th Oct '16 10:00:59 AM by sgamer82

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#142359: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:03:26 AM

Edit: Woops, this thing moved fast.

edited 8th Oct '16 10:03:47 AM by Fighteer

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#142360: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:03:31 AM

@ Draghinazzo:

Have none of these people been paying attention to what Trump's been doing for the last several years? It's like they conveniently ignored him being a misogynist until they had some big recent scandal forcing them to stop pretending he wasn't.

Because these comments might hit down-ticket contests — and even with parts of Trump's base:

Austin Barbour, a prominent Mississippi-based Republican operative, said Trump could survive — but added that the damage inflicted was simply too much to overcome for key parts of his base.

“Oh, it matters. But how much does it matter?” Barbour asked. “This hurts him with … independent women, undecided women, of course it hurts him, everyone knows that. When you look in states like Mississippi or North Carolina or the panhandle of Florida, central Pennsylvania, really conservative areas, I think it hurts him with white seniors, one- or two-time, particularly two-time a week churchgoers, particularly ones in rural areas. They’re the ones going to be the most turned off by this. They’re not going to vote for Hillary at all, they despise Hillary, but this is going to be too much for them to take.

“They are his base, but there’s going to be some percentage of them, I don’t know what it is, that he’s going to lose their support.”

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#142361: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:05:43 AM

The "deplorables" will continue supporting Trump because, for them, misogyny and being a "rape boy" are plusses, not minuses. Less crazy Republicans, however...

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Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#142362: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:29:38 AM

Yeah this could very well lose him church-going southern seniors.

I have relatives who'd vote for him, but this might strain the dictates of their patience. My grandmother doesn't tolerate even the softest swear in her presence, let alone this.

And she's probably not alone in that.

edited 8th Oct '16 10:30:01 AM by Matues

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#142363: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:36:30 AM

The difference here is that even the non-deplorable Trump supporter base is turned off by this. This is the difference between a close election where Hillary wins and a landslide election where Hillary wins.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#142364: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:42:45 AM

These comments will be big, nothing else sent so many other elected officials running for the hills. I suspect you will see the polling impact by the middle of next week.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#142365: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:47:46 AM

This sort of thing just exposes the continued cowardice of GOP leadership. They will condemn him, but they will not withdraw their support.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#142366: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:49:10 AM

If they pull their support, his base might stay home and get them crushed in down ballot races. If they don't pull their support, those offended by his statements might stay home and/or vote Democrat, getting them crushed in the down ballot races.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#142367: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:56:30 AM

[up] Well if they're screwed either way, they might as well go with the less morally repugnant option.

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#142368: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:04:30 AM

That depends on how badly they fear getting targeted in primary elections by the Tea Party/alt-right. This election is creating something of an acid test in Republican circles for how repugnant a candidate can be and still earn party support.

edited 8th Oct '16 11:05:36 AM by Fighteer

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Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#142369: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:15:45 AM

They won't pull their support because even if they don't like rape apologists, voting Democrat is a much bigger sin to them than supporting a guy advocating sexual assault.

Even so, they'd better not try to replace him. He needs to lose on Election Day. He has to be defeated by the opposition party, or his deplorable frogs won't be demoralized.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#142370: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:23:35 AM

They can't replace him. The ballots are already printed.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#142371: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:25:42 AM

Robert Costa ‏@costareports 2m2 minutes ago On phone w/ person close to Trump. Says there is talk of a Pence-Carson ticket if Trump drops out. But person doesn't expect Trump to quit.

LAWD.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#142372: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:34:14 AM

So, despite it being karmic for Trump, I wouldn't want that to happen because I'm worried that the Republican candidate would win, in part because Clinton's entire campaign has been against Trump- and because it would allow Repubicans to falselpresent themselves as principled.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#142373: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:36:31 AM

I think we should distinguish the GOP from the Republicans, the latter meaning their registered voters. There's plenty of very principled Republican voters. A lot of them live in Utah, for instance, and it shows.

There's really no such thing as a principled politician. The closest you get is someone like Sanders who develops a reputation for doing what he says he's going to do. Heck, I would believe too much principle is actively counterproductive and dangerous: good politicians can and indeed should flip-flop when new evidence comes to light or after thinking things through. No-one should be a slave to obsolete ideas just because they are afraid of looking bad if they don't stick to their guns.

edited 8th Oct '16 11:41:28 AM by TheHandle

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#142374: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:42:30 AM

Be dogmatic about not being dogmatic.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#142375: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:54:28 AM

That is true. But my point is more that the Republican Party (as in the GOP) has let any number of racist and misogynistic comments (not to mention policies) from Trump slide and there were any number of times they could have condemned and/or disavowed him. And so if they do so now, it's kind of too late to be principled. And even if it is personally principled on the part of individual politicians, it doesn't seem "fair" that the replacement candidate would win in part as a "reward" for this supposedly principled action.

In the cases of Romney and Kasich, they've been consistently against Trump/above the fray, so despite my disagreements with their politics, if anyone deserves to come out well form this, it's them. But I'd separate that from wanting a Republican to win the Presidency and for the GOP to retain its hold on the rest of the government.

edited 8th Oct '16 11:56:51 AM by Hodor2


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