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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Nobody should be "champing at the bit" to punish Russia for anything. Conflict between major nations is always to be avoided when possible because the potential consequences are so dire.
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It's sabre ratling based on the timing (negotiations in Syria are breaking down), and the fact that this was already more or less common dogma already. Do note that while it's very likely that the Russian government (as opposed to someone in Russia not affiliated with the government or another nation which uses the Cyrillic alphabet) was indeed responsible, if there's damning evidence, it's not being released.
edited 7th Oct '16 2:44:49 PM by CaptainCapsase
We may already be in conflict. I know "sovereignty" is being thrown around the right a lot lately in the context of Brexit, etc, but trying to mess with our elections is a pretty serious encroachment on our sovereignty; elections are the source of our sovereignty because government by the people, etc. I'm stopping short of advocating for war but this really needs to be upgraded from the "disapproving glare" response (of which making a formal, official accusation is a tiny step.).
The civilian security experts are calling it "very likely" to be state actors and that's without whatever the three letter agencies may have on them.
Also, we need to actually listen to the people who have been saying for years that our cyber-security is crap.
edited 7th Oct '16 2:59:51 PM by Elle
It doesn't matter. The USA could provide a time-stamped video of Putin himself hacking in the DNC servers while sipping a White Russian next to a "I want puppet Trump to be US president" poster in the Kremlin, along with continuous screenshots of his laptop detailing his actions, and Moscow would still claim it is a fabrication. There was damning evidence that Russian soldiers intervened in Ukraine, and it did not change a thing.
We are living a new Cold War conflict of sorts in Syria, except that most Western countries focus on ISIS who isn't aligned with anyone. So I agree with Elle, right now, Russia and the US are in a situation similar to the one after WWII, and the last thing the world needs is people who escalate it.
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No, we don't want to escalate it because that might end up involving nuclear weapons. Even though Russia is no longer a superpower anymore, World War III is still a thing we want to avoid.
@Trump the Sleaze: "Back
in the Nineties
I was
on this
very
famous
TV show..."
The comparison is an insult to Bojack, but he does sound like he never outgrew the mindset of a teenager because he got both fame and fortune too easily.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.I posted a while back some of Trump's misogynistic escapades, including one where he was personally offended by a woman asking to breastfeed her baby (he got super red in the face and acted like she had caused some great offense to him, calling her "disgusting" multiple times and leaving the room).
Saying that he never matured beyond like 13 is pretty accurate.
I didn't mean to imply "completely avoid escalation" but there are many steps between where we are and open armed conflict. More sanctions (but the crap Putin's doing now is in response to the ones we put on him for Crimea.) Get the UN involved (but good luck with Russia having a security council veto). Set up defensive traps on computer systems likely to be targeted by Russia (don't ask, what little I know is that they exist and that they're illegal if you're a civilian because it hoses the system of the would-be intruder). Actually intervene in Syria on the grounds that Russia is seriously worsening a major humanitarian crisis, and cut Russia out of the action. I'm sure there's more.
What's worth mentioning is Trump did a "Sorry/Not Sorry" with the remarks.
Welp.
Strap in boys!
New Survey coming this weekend!
Force your hand between her legs. Basically he admitted sexual assault on a routine basis, counting on his fame to either keep them quiet or act as an aphrodisiac.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Nothing damning in a legal sense but they're focusing on her pro free trade and pro open borders (though made well before she flipped on the TPP. The timing with the latest Trump revelations has been noted.
I gotta admit, I laughed heartily at the reactions from those actually running his campaign
, particularly the one-word statement at the end.
A close adviser to Trump told CNN the story is "flat out appalling" and at this point, they can't even begin to guess whether Trump can come back from this. "This should have never happened. I wish it had never happened. I think I know that men talk this way sometimes, but it's nothing I would ever want to hear or condone or approve of," the adviser said. "My reaction is — it's appalling. It's just flat out appalling." The adviser also said Trump's apology does not go far enough. "Doing anything other than to say it was a grievous error and he apologizes would be a mistake," the adviser said. "I would take it a step further and own to the words as being offensive — not 'if.'" The adviser, clearly exasperated, added: "Another day in Trump world ... I hate it."
Asked about the reaction at a campaign field office, a Trump field staffer told CNN there were "gasps. Collective gasps. We're trying to get our heads around it right now, but there's no way to spin this. There just isn't." The staffer, who is also paying close attention to Senate efforts, also added, unsolicited: "Just think of the down-ballot effect. Brutal."
A GOP operative in Ohio voiced similar sentiments. "This is bad. I think this thing is over," the staffer said. Reached for comment, a top battleground state staffer told CNN he was "picking (his) chin off the floor." "We want every suburban woman's vote in America. This doesn't help with that," the staffer said. And a Trump campaign source said they were "dumbfounded," saying the remarks "could be a death knell." The source had no predictions on how the article will impact the race, saying the next two days will be critical. "I think the next 48 hours will be the most consequential of the entire election. Right here, right now, this is game time," the source said.
One senior Trump adviser said simply, "Ugh."
edited 7th Oct '16 4:38:41 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"

So he's intending to be literally in the same role as Heinrich Himmler aka "let my boss do the talking - I've got the real plans".
Presumably Pence is just as cruel and cold, going by some of the policies he was involved with.