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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#142076: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:10:43 PM

So he's intending to be literally in the same role as Heinrich Himmler aka "let my boss do the talking - I've got the real plans".

Presumably Pence is just as cruel and cold, going by some of the policies he was involved with.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#142077: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:20:49 PM

(October) Surprise.

Also hi Lightysnake. Hope you are well.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#142078: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:28:48 PM

Thanks, man. Yes,doing fine post hurricane. We got hit a bit, but nothing awful

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#142079: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:36:51 PM

@Captain: It's hardly saberratling when you accuse them of something they actually did. Really Obama is probably the only person in government not chomping at the bit to punish Russia for it's various outrages.

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Lost in Space
#142080: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:40:36 PM

Nobody should be "champing at the bit" to punish Russia for anything. Conflict between major nations is always to be avoided when possible because the potential consequences are so dire.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#142081: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:44:08 PM

[up][up] It's sabre ratling based on the timing (negotiations in Syria are breaking down), and the fact that this was already more or less common dogma already. Do note that while it's very likely that the Russian government (as opposed to someone in Russia not affiliated with the government or another nation which uses the Cyrillic alphabet) was indeed responsible, if there's damning evidence, it's not being released.

edited 7th Oct '16 2:44:49 PM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142082: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:49:19 PM

We may already be in conflict. I know "sovereignty" is being thrown around the right a lot lately in the context of Brexit, etc, but trying to mess with our elections is a pretty serious encroachment on our sovereignty; elections are the source of our sovereignty because government by the people, etc. I'm stopping short of advocating for war but this really needs to be upgraded from the "disapproving glare" response (of which making a formal, official accusation is a tiny step.).

[up]The civilian security experts are calling it "very likely" to be state actors and that's without whatever the three letter agencies may have on them.

Also, we need to actually listen to the people who have been saying for years that our cyber-security is crap.

edited 7th Oct '16 2:59:51 PM by Elle

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#142083: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:07:40 PM

if there's damning evidence, it's not being released.

It doesn't matter. The USA could provide a time-stamped video of Putin himself hacking in the DNC servers while sipping a White Russian next to a "I want puppet Trump to be US president" poster in the Kremlin, along with continuous screenshots of his laptop detailing his actions, and Moscow would still claim it is a fabrication. There was damning evidence that Russian soldiers intervened in Ukraine, and it did not change a thing.

We are living a new Cold War conflict of sorts in Syria, except that most Western countries focus on ISIS who isn't aligned with anyone. So I agree with Elle, right now, Russia and the US are in a situation similar to the one after WWII, and the last thing the world needs is people who escalate it.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#142084: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:10:02 PM

[up] That last part sounds like an endorsement of Trump...

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#142085: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:11:06 PM

Nonsense, we need to match and confront the Russians at every turn. You can do that without proper escalation.

Oh really when?
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#142086: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:12:15 PM

[up][up] There is a difference between "avoiding escalation" and "putting on a gimp suit and giving Putin a whip".

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Vampire Hunter
#142087: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:17:41 PM

[up][up][up] No, we don't want to escalate it because that might end up involving nuclear weapons. Even though Russia is no longer a superpower anymore, World War III is still a thing we want to avoid.

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United Earth
#142088: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:18:33 PM

@Trump the Sleaze: "Back
in the Nineties
I was
on this
very
famous
TV show..."

The comparison is an insult to Bojack, but he does sound like he never outgrew the mindset of a teenager because he got both fame and fortune too easily.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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#142089: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:34:18 PM

I posted a while back some of Trump's misogynistic escapades, including one where he was personally offended by a woman asking to breastfeed her baby (he got super red in the face and acted like she had caused some great offense to him, calling her "disgusting" multiple times and leaving the room).

Saying that he never matured beyond like 13 is pretty accurate.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142090: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:43:34 PM

I didn't mean to imply "completely avoid escalation" but there are many steps between where we are and open armed conflict. More sanctions (but the crap Putin's doing now is in response to the ones we put on him for Crimea.) Get the UN involved (but good luck with Russia having a security council veto). Set up defensive traps on computer systems likely to be targeted by Russia (don't ask, what little I know is that they exist and that they're illegal if you're a civilian because it hoses the system of the would-be intruder). Actually intervene in Syria on the grounds that Russia is seriously worsening a major humanitarian crisis, and cut Russia out of the action. I'm sure there's more.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#142091: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:56:19 PM

Man. This just makes the GOP primary even more sad. How terrible was their oppo research when they found NONE of this shit?

New Survey coming this weekend!
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142092: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:59:50 PM

They (and we) weren't taking Trump seriously at that point. We are now.

edited 7th Oct '16 4:00:10 PM by Elle

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#142093: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:03:53 PM

What's worth mentioning is Trump did a "Sorry/Not Sorry" with the remarks.

The remarks prompted Trump — for the first time in his nearly 16-month campaign — to apologize. "This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course - not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended," Trump said in a statement released Friday.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#142095: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:10:16 PM

Rick Wilson ‏@The Rick Wilson 10m10 minutes ago If you think this is anywhere near the most morally repugnant thing about Trump to come out before the election, you're going to be shocked.

Welp.

Strap in boys!

New Survey coming this weekend!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#142096: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:11:57 PM

How do you even "grab" a woman "by the pussy"? This is Eric Cartman-grade stupidity.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#142097: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:17:56 PM

[up]

Force your hand between her legs. Basically he admitted sexual assault on a routine basis, counting on his fame to either keep them quiet or act as an aphrodisiac.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#142098: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:29:04 PM

I kinda understand how some of the people who that this is what America deserve after messing with other countries elections. Still doesn't make it right no matter who does it tho. Also that new trump leak good lord. That is not locker room talk. That is rapist talk plain and simple.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#142099: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:29:28 PM

WikiLeaks has released parts of what they are claiming are rough draft transcripts (passed through email) of Clinton's private speeches to bankers.

Nothing damning in a legal sense but they're focusing on her pro free trade and pro open borders (though made well before she flipped on the TPP. The timing with the latest Trump revelations has been noted.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#142100: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:34:33 PM

I gotta admit, I laughed heartily at the reactions from those actually running his campaign, particularly the one-word statement at the end.

Reactions from GOP staffers and advisers to Trump ranged from astonished to apoplectic.

A close adviser to Trump told CNN the story is "flat out appalling" and at this point, they can't even begin to guess whether Trump can come back from this. "This should have never happened. I wish it had never happened. I think I know that men talk this way sometimes, but it's nothing I would ever want to hear or condone or approve of," the adviser said. "My reaction is — it's appalling. It's just flat out appalling." The adviser also said Trump's apology does not go far enough. "Doing anything other than to say it was a grievous error and he apologizes would be a mistake," the adviser said. "I would take it a step further and own to the words as being offensive — not 'if.'" The adviser, clearly exasperated, added: "Another day in Trump world ... I hate it."

Asked about the reaction at a campaign field office, a Trump field staffer told CNN there were "gasps. Collective gasps. We're trying to get our heads around it right now, but there's no way to spin this. There just isn't." The staffer, who is also paying close attention to Senate efforts, also added, unsolicited: "Just think of the down-ballot effect. Brutal."

A GOP operative in Ohio voiced similar sentiments. "This is bad. I think this thing is over," the staffer said. Reached for comment, a top battleground state staffer told CNN he was "picking (his) chin off the floor." "We want every suburban woman's vote in America. This doesn't help with that," the staffer said. And a Trump campaign source said they were "dumbfounded," saying the remarks "could be a death knell." The source had no predictions on how the article will impact the race, saying the next two days will be critical. "I think the next 48 hours will be the most consequential of the entire election. Right here, right now, this is game time," the source said.

One senior Trump adviser said simply, "Ugh."

edited 7th Oct '16 4:38:41 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"

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