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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#142051: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:31:58 AM

Compromise isn't a virtue when one side flat out rejects reality.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142052: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:34:34 AM

The kicker is that Obama tried to compromise with the GOP for eight damn years. He got pretty much nothing but scorn for his efforts.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#142053: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:34:36 AM

And coal did not die because Democrats got all teary-eyed over the environment. It was already on its way out. Even today, coal mining is done with heavy machinery and automation, not sweaty, hard-hatted men dying of black lung in their thirties.

edited 7th Oct '16 11:34:53 AM by Fighteer

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#142054: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:39:51 AM

[up] That.

Coal is seeing less and less use for environmental reasons, but coal is also using fewer and fewer human employees because coal mining is dangerous, toxic work and will f*cking murder you. Even if we were still burning coal in everything, the machines would still have replaced the human workforce because human biology has no business being in a coal mine.

This is just another example of the same Toxic Masculinity Coal Miner Pride that leads to the similar logic train, "Men SHOULD get paid more because women aren't as willing to die stupidly in hazardous work environments with no safety regulations! I only have three fingers and half a lung because I'M A REAL MAN!!!"

Coal mining is a dead industry and it should remain dead.

edited 7th Oct '16 11:41:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#142055: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:09:56 PM

Slight digression from Noah Smith: Freedom of Speech in the Digital Age.

Essentially, he offers the opinion that online communities have a greater interest in promoting the free flow of ideas than they do in allowing people to harass and intimidate each other, even if both technically fall under the umbrella of "freedom of speech".

[...] Remember that in the real world, different freedoms conflict with each other. My freedom to speak my mind on a street corner is compromised if 5 people stand in my face screeching at me at the top of their lungs. But face-screeching is also a form of speech, so if you ban it, those 5 people are having their freedom of speech curbed.

Traditionally, we usually came down against the face-screechers, with laws against public harassment. Why? I think it's because we recognized that speech that disseminates ideas is more valuable than speech whose purpose is to intimidate others. When forced to choose between two mutually exclusive types of speech, we usually chose to protect the one we deemed less intrinsically harmful to others.

This is, when it comes down to it, the fundamental principle upon which we moderate TV Tropes.

edited 7th Oct '16 12:10:24 PM by Fighteer

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#142056: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:14:49 PM

For another topic, there's some substantial rumors about that after next year Blue Cross Blue Shield will pull out of the federal insurance marketplace in North Carolina, making the ACA's insurance arm effectively dead in the state and leaving almost a million people uninsured in addition to the ones who are already uninsured (not to mention a huge rate hike for their existing customers).

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#142057: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:15:55 PM

God I hope not, I'm on Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Oh really when?
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#142058: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:30:39 PM

@carbon-mantis: Any reasons mentioned in those "substantial" rumors?

EDIT: Wow, awkward pagetopper for me.

edited 7th Oct '16 12:31:15 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#142059: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:36:48 PM

As a liberal, I personally wish this alleged ability to personally conjure hurricanes was a reality, because that's fucking rad, bro, and if you don't think that's awesome, then get out of my face.

It would also make this Trump business trivial at best. Imagine, a category 5 sweeping away all 17 GOP candidates during the first debate...

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#142060: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:46:21 PM

[up][up]They haven't confirmed anything, but after seeing this (Sept. Article about the BCBS CEO considering it) I talked with my physician and insurance agent about the possibility and they both said it was very possible. Before it was announced by the company my agent said to be on the watch for a rate hike and drug coverage restriction notice, and the company is just now starting to send those out to people on their rolls.

BCBS blames "leechers" who apply for coverage long enough to get medical care and then drop it to avoid monthly payments. Drug prices are also soaring here. One of my meds I and others like me take to stay alive is being produced at a surplus for a a few dollars per vial and the company recently doubled the price for the sheer hell of it. "They need it to live. We feel the price should reflect that" said one of the pharma CEOS.

edited 7th Oct '16 12:47:48 PM by carbon-mantis

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#142061: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:55:13 PM

Would this kind of price-gouging be avoided if there were fewer barriers to entry to produce the medicine and distribute it?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142062: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:56:29 PM

I know single-payer health care has its own problems and might not mesh well with American culture...but lately it's becoming more and more appealing.

edited 7th Oct '16 12:56:48 PM by M84

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Lost in Space
#142063: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:56:33 PM

[up][up] Unclear. It does bespeak the need for stronger anti-trust regulation and the ability to force price controls on companies in inelastic markets.

edited 7th Oct '16 12:56:44 PM by Fighteer

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#142066: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:12:06 PM

Depends if he takes fatherhood as seriously as marriage vows.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142067: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:16:38 PM

She claims that her father is respectful of her different views. Whether that's true or not...

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#142068: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:23:02 PM

So the saber ratling with Russia continues. The Obama administration is officially accusing Russia of the DNC hack.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/10/07/us-officially-blames-russia-for-political-hacking-attempts.html?client=safari

Seems like we're preparing for (proxy) war.

edited 7th Oct '16 1:25:13 PM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142069: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:28:37 PM

It's too damn bad that returning to paper ballots at this late stage of the election season isn't feasible.

Disgusted, but not surprised
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#142070: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:39:48 PM

A bit late, but any confirmation on the idea of Trump wanting to be just a figurehead while Pence does all the actual governing? Because the last time I'd heard that allegation was from Kasich saying that Trump had offered him that deal (which the Trump campaign flatly denied, naturally).

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#142071: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:42:56 PM

That's how Trump has conducted most of the businesses. He has a famous name and money, that's about it. Other people manage, he takes the credit.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#142072: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:44:13 PM

TV news is showing Rick Scott using the hurricane to his advantage. Says Florida registration ends the 11th and he's refusing to extend the deadline even though they'll be dealing with shit from the storm.

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edited 7th Oct '16 1:45:39 PM by carbon-mantis

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#142073: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:47:32 PM

[up][up][up] In addition to what Kasich revealed about how the Trump campaign is approaching its Vice President, there's also Mike Pence himself saying he plans to model his Vice Presidency after that of former George W. Bush puppetmaster Dick Cheney.

edited 7th Oct '16 1:47:39 PM by TobiasDrake

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#142074: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:03:21 PM

A decade before Donald Trump became the Republican nominee for president, his candid views on women were caught on tape.

"I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women — I just start kissing them, it's like a magnet," Trump said in a 2005 conversation with Billy Bush, at the time an anchor for Access Hollywood, in crude, coarse language. "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything… Grab 'em by the pussy."

Ten years later, Trump as a candidate and now as the Republican nominee has come under fire for insulting and directing crude language toward women. He's rejected such criticism repeatedly, insisting "nobody has more respect for women than me."

In the 2005 recording obtained by NBC News from Access Hollywood, Trump, then newly married to Melania Trump, spots a young woman through the bus window.

"Woah, woah," he said to Bush about the woman's appearance. "I gotta use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her."

Earlier in the conversation, Trump recalls talking about trying to woo a married woman.

"I moved on her actually, she was down in Palm Beach and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try to fuck her, she was married … and I moved on her very heavily," Trump is heard saying.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-hot-mic-when-you-re-star-you-can-do-n662116

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#142075: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:06:19 PM

.....Holy....

This could be the silver bullet.


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