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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#141851: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:40:08 PM

I didn't say it's some new phenomenon. It's been an issue for a while. It's just a lot more glaring now that a Republican candidate is giving voice to the implicit biases and people still buy into this bullshit.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#141852: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:41:48 PM

Well, apparently Trump is making people less comfortable with it, so that's good, at least.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141853: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:44:36 PM

[up]x4 That's why my older family members usually voted Republican (not that they have voted often since moving to California on the grounds of "what's the point in a blue state"). They voted their wallet.

Note the past tense. They can't stand Donald Trump. It probably helps that we're not white.

edited 5th Oct '16 6:45:23 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#141854: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:14:50 PM

It's not that Republican-leaning voters have suddenly decided that taxes are wonderful, but that the sensible ones have realized that Donald Trump cannot by any rational means be thought of as someone who will be a sensible steward of the economy.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#141855: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:17:31 PM

"Voting your wallet" is an idiotic notion. Whatever you might save in taxes you'll just end up paying in other ways when the roads break down, the education system fails, etc.

As someone in another thread I was in put it once, "taxes are not theft. They are the price you pay for living in a free society. Every time you use a public road, or a public hospital, attend a public school, or are aided by the police or the firefighters you accrue more cost. The government is not running a charity—it's running your tab."

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#141856: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:18:38 PM

Those are mostly paid for with taxpayers' money though.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#141858: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:21:30 PM

And? That's what we're talking about.

edit: As for why rich people pay more it's primary because they're 1. able to and 2. they receive more of society's benefits than poor people.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:22:23 PM by Kostya

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#141859: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:24:28 PM

Yes, because that would matter at all if the basketball players are paying less taxes; it would come mostly out of other people's pockets, not their own.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#141860: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:29:42 PM

And under Republican governments all those institutions tend to fail. Seriously, it's true state by state and at the federal level. Cutting taxes on the rich destroys public institutions—including the ones the rich themselves use.

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#141861: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:43:35 PM

If a set rule is 'harass the moderator for calling you out on a lie and security could be called', then follow the rule set and security will never come. If you really can't tell the truth and admit when you said something nonfactual, then don't agree to the debate. Then everyone will see that you're probably not trustworthy and not vote. That will weed out at least some of the dishonest politicians, at least when it comes to running for the executive federal branch. And even if you don't change the moderator's job, television companies should still be removed from picture or at least reduced in role as much as possible. We've grown socially and technologically to the point it should be easy to have a third party without such an obvious ulterior motive host presidential debates and had sponsorship and oversight by such a third party when such a thing was more difficult.

This isn't debate class, these aren't even debates between professionals of given fields. This is about proving worthy of a job, one accountable to hundreds of millions. The politician isn't trying to convince you about the issue so much as convince those already convinced to vote for them. If I'm interviewing for a job and tell a lie to the one giving it, a lie they recognize? I don't know, but I'd imagine I'd have killed my chances for employment. I'd imagine if the interviewer and the boss were two different people but in the same vicinity, the interviewer would tell the boss regardless of me being around to hear or not. Cozier debates, shouldn't those come once the politician has the job they want? Shouldn't those have happened before the campaign between the actual experts who convinced the politicians it was safe to publicly take their stance? During the campaign they're not just debating to prove they're right about topics, but selling themselves. False advertisement is a crime. If politicians can't handle a moderator who points out their lies, then they will probably stop going to debates while on campaign. That's crime prevention.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#141862: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:46:01 PM

Sean Hannity Verified account ‏@seanhannity @megynkelly u should be mad at @Hillary Clinton Clearly you support her. And @realDonaldTrump did talk to u.

Lawd, a Fox News civil War?

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#141863: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:06:49 PM

I remember when Sean was trying to pivot to be the reasonable one on fox. Oh how times have changed. Kelly could do so much better.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#141865: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:13:41 PM

To be clear, this puts Clinton's opponent, Donald Trump, in the same column of unacceptable with The Atlantic as The Confederacy and Barry Goldwater.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#141866: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:16:27 PM

Little bit unfair to Goldwater, but I suppose they both had policies that could lead to WW3.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141867: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:26:34 PM

/reads up on Goldwater's wikipedia page.

Yeah, he publicly denounced the KKK and forbade them from openly supporting him. He's definitely the least vile of this particular trio.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#141868: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:33:15 PM

From what I understand he also had relatively progressive views on homosexuality for his time.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#141869: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:36:23 PM

And he predicted/warned against the Republicans jumping in bed with the Religious Right.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#141870: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:37:04 PM

He was also pretty good with abortion.

His failings seemed to be just the failings of libertarianism in general. But to his credit he seemed consistent and genuine without malice, unlike a lot of libertarians of today.

edited 5th Oct '16 9:38:21 PM by LSBK

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#141871: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:39:37 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html

Trump supporters are gone folks.

I didn't even get some amusement.

That was probably the most depressing article I've read all year, and that's saying something.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#141873: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:47:50 PM

LBJ?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#141874: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:52:30 PM

Lyndon Johnson. 36th President of the United States, sworn in after Kennedy was assassinated. Well-remembered for helping to get the Voting Rights Act passed, among other legislation; not so well remembered for escalating the Vietnam War.

edited 5th Oct '16 9:52:54 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#141875: Oct 5th 2016 at 10:24:24 PM

And the space center where mission control is located (aka "Houston, we have a problem").


Updates on Hurricane Matthew, as of this writing, the NHC predicts it will head up the Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina coasts before moving out to sea.

Hurricane Warnings are out for Lake Okeechobee, and the coast from North of Golden Beach to Fernandina Beach, Florida with Hurricane Watches extending from there to Edisto Beach, South Carolina.

edited 5th Oct '16 10:25:09 PM by tclittle

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