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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
x4 That's why my older family members usually voted Republican (not that they have voted often since moving to California on the grounds of "what's the point in a blue state"). They voted their wallet.
Note the past tense. They can't stand Donald Trump. It probably helps that we're not white.
edited 5th Oct '16 6:45:23 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedIt's not that Republican-leaning voters have suddenly decided that taxes are wonderful, but that the sensible ones have realized that Donald Trump cannot by any rational means be thought of as someone who will be a sensible steward of the economy.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!""Voting your wallet" is an idiotic notion. Whatever you might save in taxes you'll just end up paying in other ways when the roads break down, the education system fails, etc.
As someone in another thread I was in put it once, "taxes are not theft. They are the price you pay for living in a free society. Every time you use a public road, or a public hospital, attend a public school, or are aided by the police or the firefighters you accrue more cost. The government is not running a charity—it's running your tab."
If a set rule is 'harass the moderator for calling you out on a lie and security could be called', then follow the rule set and security will never come. If you really can't tell the truth and admit when you said something nonfactual, then don't agree to the debate. Then everyone will see that you're probably not trustworthy and not vote. That will weed out at least some of the dishonest politicians, at least when it comes to running for the executive federal branch. And even if you don't change the moderator's job, television companies should still be removed from picture or at least reduced in role as much as possible. We've grown socially and technologically to the point it should be easy to have a third party without such an obvious ulterior motive host presidential debates and had sponsorship and oversight by such a third party when such a thing was more difficult.
This isn't debate class, these aren't even debates between professionals of given fields. This is about proving worthy of a job, one accountable to hundreds of millions. The politician isn't trying to convince you about the issue so much as convince those already convinced to vote for them. If I'm interviewing for a job and tell a lie to the one giving it, a lie they recognize? I don't know, but I'd imagine I'd have killed my chances for employment. I'd imagine if the interviewer and the boss were two different people but in the same vicinity, the interviewer would tell the boss regardless of me being around to hear or not. Cozier debates, shouldn't those come once the politician has the job they want? Shouldn't those have happened before the campaign between the actual experts who convinced the politicians it was safe to publicly take their stance? During the campaign they're not just debating to prove they're right about topics, but selling themselves. False advertisement is a crime. If politicians can't handle a moderator who points out their lies, then they will probably stop going to debates while on campaign. That's crime prevention.
Buldogue's lawyerLawd, a Fox News civil War?
New Survey coming this weekend!I remember when Sean was trying to pivot to be the reasonable one on fox. Oh how times have changed. Kelly could do so much better.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?The Atlantic has joined the list of rare newspaper/magazine endorsements by endorsing Hillary.
They've endorsed a candidate only twice before in history: Lincon and LBJ.
To be clear, this puts Clinton's opponent, Donald Trump, in the same column of unacceptable with The Atlantic as The Confederacy and Barry Goldwater.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyLittle bit unfair to Goldwater, but I suppose they both had policies that could lead to WW3.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Trump supporters are gone folks.
I didn't even get some amusement.
That was probably the most depressing article I've read all year, and that's saying something.
New Survey coming this weekend!To be fair, Here's The Atlantic's endorsement of LBJ from back in 1964!
They were very much Anti-Goldwater.
Lyndon Johnson. 36th President of the United States, sworn in after Kennedy was assassinated. Well-remembered for helping to get the Voting Rights Act passed, among other legislation; not so well remembered for escalating the Vietnam War.
edited 5th Oct '16 9:52:54 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!And the space center where mission control is located (aka "Houston, we have a problem").
Updates on Hurricane Matthew, as of this writing, the NHC predicts it will head up the Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina coasts before moving out to sea.
Hurricane Warnings are out for Lake Okeechobee, and the coast from North of Golden Beach to Fernandina Beach, Florida with Hurricane Watches extending from there to Edisto Beach, South Carolina.
edited 5th Oct '16 10:25:09 PM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

I didn't say it's some new phenomenon. It's been an issue for a while. It's just a lot more glaring now that a Republican candidate is giving voice to the implicit biases and people still buy into this bullshit.