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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I think the problem here is everyone assuming that corruption and ideological purity are not mutually exclusive. Ideological purity and corruption are opposite extremes. The problem with the Republican voter base is what they see as ideologically pure. From the Republican voter base's point of view, a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-police, anti-LGBT stance is ideologically pure and any deviation from that ideal is corruption.
edited 3rd Oct '16 1:06:14 PM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food BadlyThe issue with that argument is that some elements of the ideology, such as the gun rights thing, are reinforced by extremely thorough lobbying which is borderline, if not outright, bribery.
The base has an ideologically pure basis, but the politicians are being controlled through corruption.
edited 3rd Oct '16 1:25:15 PM by Zendervai
A politician who takes lobbying money to do a thing I support: Honest. A politician who takes lobbying money to do a thing I'm against: Corrupt. How do you prove a quid pro quo? By the rules established by the Supreme Court, it's remarkably difficult.
edited 3rd Oct '16 1:26:09 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What does Ass-ange have against Hillary in particular?
I don't like how so many foreign powers are trying to mess with our country's election. This is something that absolutely should no be encouraged. It just pisses me off.
I have grown weary of conspiracy theories and the people that peddle in them. It's not wrong to question things, but it's easy for some people to be manipulated into believing things that are still false but benefit the conspiracy peddler in some way.
edited 3rd Oct '16 2:05:00 PM by BearyScary
Do not obey in advance.Assange vocalizes a claim that Hillary and Trump are equally bad — of course, he never publicizes any information leaks about Trump, so that claim is suspect. He probably has a massive grudge against the Obama administration and thus is doing his best to sabotage his legacy.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Fighteer explained the difference between "honest politicians" and "corrupt politicians" in the eyes of the voters better than I ever could. I mean, how else would you explain the political viewpoint of Trump supporters where Trump is more honest than Hillary? What ultimately saves the Democrats from suffering from this same issue is that they are the more pragmatic party compared to the Republicans.
edited 3rd Oct '16 2:40:06 PM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food Badly538 says that Trump is basically screwed if he can't win in Florida, as winning there gives Clinton leeway to lose elsewhere and still make 270. Meanwhile, Donald's only chance to come back would be to win Pennsylvania, where he is behind in the polls and a state that really isn't much of a swing state anymore.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-really-really-needs-to-win-florida/
Their polls only model has Clinton back above 70%, while the nowcast has her at almost 80%. Trump's debate performance and breakdown afterwards (which has shown no signs of stopping or even slowing down) looks like it has at least erased Clinton's loses from the 9/11 spell.
edited 3rd Oct '16 4:23:18 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.He's referring to Julian Assange, the owner and proprietor of Wiki Leaks. He's hiding out in an embassy in Sweden to evade charges for two counts of rape and has been on a campaign to ensure Trump wins the White House for months.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.![]()
The Ecuadorian Embassy in London, actually. The rape charges did originate in Sweden.
Apparently the reason he holds such a grudge against the Clintons is that he had funding towards his PhD cut when he was in the US during Bill's presidency. No, I do not see how this makes him look less petty.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotI kind of hoped that Assange would be more even-handed in his political machinations. May as well ask someone to stop breathing, I guess, and then be surprised when they turn purple.
I have a naive hope that Trump wouldn't insult someone during a town hall, but just look at how he treated that poor woman and her baby that one time.
What kind of jerk insults a parent and child behind their backs? In public, no less. (Sure, they may think it, but people don't usually voice those kinds of thoughts outside of, say, a You Tube comments section.)
Actually, that may be a good metaphor for Trump's campaign: the Human Youtube Comments Section.
edited 3rd Oct '16 6:32:33 PM by BearyScary
Do not obey in advance.![]()
That sounds like something one of Batman's villains would do. Obviously, Hillary Clinton is the alter-ego of a Badass Normal superhero.
Anyway, does anyone know what happened about Trump getting illegal donation from the Mexican Government when he accepted the invitation here? I read something about it in Time
but haven't seen anything since then.
edited 3rd Oct '16 6:34:11 PM by Cid
Assange is a plain anti American imperialist, trust me, South America is filled with these type of guys and the amount of mental gymnastics they are willing to do to justify their hatred towards the US, justified or not, is incredible. These are people who would align themselves with anyone who can undermine the US influence and cite human rights and imperialistic concerns as the reason to oppose the US while at the same time seeking support from places like Russia and China.
I doubt Assange has a personal vendetta against Hillary, as he's been a pain in the ass since Obama's first term, he probably just wants to prop anything that can damage the US.
edited 3rd Oct '16 6:54:55 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent leges

U.S. presidential candidate Trump's charity ordered to stop fundraising in NY state
"The failure immediately to discontinue solicitation and to file information and reports required under Article 7-A with the Charities Bureau shall be deemed to be a continuing fraud upon the people of the state of New York," according to a letter dated on Friday that the attorney general's office posted online.
The "notice of violation," issued by the office of New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, followed a series of reports in The Washington Post that suggested improprieties by the Trump Foundation, including using the foundation to settle legal disputes.
In its series of stories on the Trump Foundation, the Post reported that Trump may have violated U.S. Internal Revenue Service rules against “self-dealing” by using foundation money to purchase two portraits of himself, which were then hung at Trump’s private golf clubs in New York and Florida.
The newspaper also said that Trump may have improperly used the foundation to settle legal disputes.
In response to the Post's reporting, Schneiderman's office launched an investigation into the Trump Foundation.
While letters such as the one the Trump Foundation received are not judgments of wrongdoing, they are sent only after the office gets “a clear indication of wrongdoing,” the spokesman said.
Trump established the charitable foundation in 1988, but it runs no programs of its own. Instead, it donates money to other nonprofit groups. Once it started soliciting money from other donors beyond the Trump family, it was required by New York law to register with the state.