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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#140976: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:13:36 AM

I don't want to deal with seeing slurs everywhere I go, so I hope the court rules against the band.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#140977: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:26:59 AM

On the list of fun things from this election—watching "Morning Joe"'s whole format come unraveled, as Mika, who normally just smiles and nods, vents her hatred of Trump. She's been increasingly unwilling to let Joe shut her down; this is the first time I think I've seen her talk over him.

edited 29th Sep '16 11:32:24 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#140978: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:47:32 AM

I'm not sure how I feel about the case.

On one hand, the proposed band is aiming to reclaim a slur and using it as a part of their culture and who they are, which is a noble goal and furthermore fits in with the general counterculture that music bands can make up.

On the other hand, the Redskins is rooted in racist terms. It has nothing to do with reclaiming culture and has everything to do with making fun of an entire people.

While I don't think that we should be restricting free speech (and am thus inclined to agree with the band's right to call their band "The Slants"), I can't exactly ignore the issue that is the Redskins.

So I think the best course of action would be to judge both individually if that's at all possible- while the two names are about the same issue, they're in very different contexts to why they're choosing their names.

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#140979: Sep 29th 2016 at 12:05:45 PM

Unfortunately, the First Amendment is pretty clear that the government cannot pick and choose what speech to protect and what speech not to, and trademarks are granted by the government. Thus, the government must grant them blind to the message inherent to the trademark.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#140980: Sep 29th 2016 at 12:19:30 PM

That's pretty much a crock. The government infringes on free speech frequently. If it wants to determine that you cannot trademark a slur that is well within its power.

The Redskins name and trademark need to go. If the team was called "the Alabama Niggers" or "the New York Kikes" there wouldn't even be a question.

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#140981: Sep 29th 2016 at 12:27:20 PM

I agree the Redskins name needs to go, but the reason why government has to be blind to it is because a Republican-controlled government could turn right around and abuse the power to deny trademarks.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140982: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:03:24 PM

I wish 'it's okay for Black people to use the N-word' was a valid legal argument. But since it's not... getting rid of the Redskins is more important, because it's so much more visible.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#140983: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:07:57 PM

Plus, it's not just the Redskins. If they get their way, it'd pave the way for people to start copyrighting slurs, and then using them for a profit. I don't want to hear them at all, but the fact someone could start profiting off of abusive terms sickens me.

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#140984: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:16:42 PM

I don't think it's an issue of paving the way- the redskins have been around for longer than any of us. This isn't anything new, nor will it directly lead to anything new. It's more an issue of an old way of thinking, and it's one that should be put to rest.

However, the government starting to control what words people are/aren't allowed to register or legally use can be a very slippery slope.

This can also be circumvented: The redskins case could still be deemed wrong; not because it uses a racist term, but because there has been a significant amount of complaints with the name of a major brand.

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#140985: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:38:07 PM

Stopped at the bar for a beer on my way home from work today. CNN was on, with the sound muted and the subtitles turned off. But the scrolling ticker-tape said things like: "Trump angry his staff told him he didn't win the debate. Staff urge no personal attacks." Yeah, like he'd really listen to good advice...

It also showed one of the few Trump campaign ads I've seen in the past year. Granted, there was no sound, but all it showed was people waving Trump banners and cheering at his rallies and at the RNC. Absolutely nothing of substance, just: "Make America Great Again! Yay Me!" That's his entire campaign platform, it seems.

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#140986: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:39:55 PM

With the implicit racism and xenophobia, yes.

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#140987: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:50:39 PM

I challenge you on the "implicit" part.

edited 29th Sep '16 2:50:50 PM by flameboy21th

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#140988: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:18:07 PM

31% of Trump voters want to build Atlantic wall to keep out Muslims.

...do...do they think Muslims enter the country by secret fishing boat? Paddling up to the beaches when Border Patrol isn't watching and army-crawling to New York?

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Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140989: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:20:36 PM

I think if the Redskin team owners have any sense of moral decency or empathy at all, they'll change the team name to something that isn't horrifically racist. Having said that, I don't want the government involved.

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#140990: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:22:28 PM

[up][up]Maybe they think the Muslims enter Canada or Mexico and do that.

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#140991: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:25:19 PM

An Atlantic wall wouldn't stop anyone from coming in through Canada or Mexico.

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#140992: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:27:49 PM

[up]Maybe they hide themselves in large crates on freighters and then dash off to the mainland when no-one's looking. Though I suppose they could always just be hiding away on an airplane instead, in which case we'd need a pretty big wall...

edited 29th Sep '16 3:28:02 PM by kkhohoho

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#140993: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:29:03 PM

Neither of those would be stopped by an Atlantic wall either, unless we're actually planning to not allow freighters or planes to pass the wall anymore - permanently severing both trade and travel with the Eastern Hemisphere.

The Muslims would have to be crossing the Atlantic on their own independent of official travel channels - like Mexicans coming in across the southern border, except over a body of water rather than land - for an Atlantic wall to achieve anything.

edited 29th Sep '16 3:30:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#140994: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:44:10 PM

Intersting note about this election: @realDonaldTrump has attacked every influential person in DC except for one: Michelle Obama.

Huh...

Well, how about that.

Wonder why she's an exception?

edited 29th Sep '16 3:44:18 PM by TacticalFox88

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#140995: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:45:52 PM

Just wait, he will soon.

Also, I'm pretty sure these people just want the US to become completely cut off from the outside. No planes going in and out, no boats, no trading...

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#140996: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:50:12 PM

We should build four walls and make Mexico, Canada, and the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans pay for them.

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#140997: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:58:44 PM

It's pertinent because I posted a little while back about how Michelle Obama basically roasted Trump and implicitly called him an incompetent manchild who traffics hatred and prejudice as part of his campaign. As far as I've seen Trump makes a habit of talking shit about anyone who criticizes him even slightly.

I would say that Trump is too much of a coward to talk shit about the first lady while her husband is still in office but he's obviously given no fucks about attacking Obama himself, so that's obviously not true.

edited 29th Sep '16 4:00:45 PM by Draghinazzo

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#140998: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:59:58 PM

I'm willing to bet that 31% either didn't notice the "Atlantic" part or worse, don't know what the Atlantic refers to.

You could probably ask if they'd support a wall around Atlanta and get the same response.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#140999: Sep 29th 2016 at 4:11:14 PM

[up][up] I think the sitting president is considered fair game for anything short of physical threats. Family members, however, may not be. I remember there was a big hubbub about racist remarks being directed at Obama's daughter going to law school.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#141000: Sep 29th 2016 at 5:27:56 PM

Since when did Trump care about fair game?

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