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Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#140951: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:10:31 AM

... Listing them would probably just give them credence - that's just how psychology works, and what the lie machine counts on - if you hear sufficiently long list of accusations, it's really difficult to just discount all of them, but to help calibrate the disregard for truth and sanity were dealing with here..

She's routinely accused of being Satan. No, not joking. A big chunk of the crazy base actually think she's working for the infernal powers.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140952: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:10:53 AM

[up][up][up]Wait a sec. I'm not saying they cant dedicate the rest of their time to giving skewed opinions around those facts. It's just that the facts have to be presented in plain, unmanipulated form first.

edited 29th Sep '16 9:11:05 AM by nervmeister

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140953: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:10:54 AM

@Yin Yang: She's has 20+ years as a career politician, a large number of accusations leveled against her (very few of them amounting to much) and there is a baseline of distrust of politicians coupled with the assumption that "she keeps getting accused of things and hasn't faced any repercussions, that sounds shady". There's the opportunism angle (she became a NY senator largely on the back of her First Lady popularity without ever having lived in NY before because the seat was open, though there haven't been many complaints from where I've been about the job she did once there) and the presumption that she's been groomed as the Dem's presidential hopeful since then. And there's the section of the left that labels her hawkish for not being an absolute dove as Sec of State and having voted in favor of the Iraq War resolution as senator and is skeptical of her commitment to oppose the TPP in its current form.

And that's before you get into the sexist stuff and the conspiracy theory stuff (like the idea the Clintons had the guy involved in the Whitewater scandal murdered).

edited 29th Sep '16 9:17:08 AM by Elle

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#140954: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:24:17 AM

So, the 9/11 Bill. My political science teacher says congress wanted it passed to get the goodwill of voters, and didn't put much thought into writing it. Basically this bill lets Americans sue foreign governments if they believe they are responsible for a terror attack they are a victim of. Sounds reasonable at first, except it violates sovereignty of other states. Plus, when those governments inevetibly don't show up at court or pay any dues to the victims, their assets on American soil can be seized as compensation. Yep, don't see how this can go wrong at all

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#140955: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:26:58 AM

@nervmeister: I'm not arguing with you on principle; I'm saying that the Supreme Court would hold such a law as being in violation of the Constitution.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140956: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:37:59 AM

[up]Okay. Maybe forcing them to cut into their own time is a clear breach of that. If so, then I don't want to cause a snowball effect of escalating constitutional violations. But what if say, they dedicated one of those little horizontal scrolling bars at the bottom of the screen to giving out the raw, uncut facts while the talking heads do their thing?

edited 29th Sep '16 9:42:13 AM by nervmeister

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#140957: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:45:48 AM

Of course Hillary has an ear piece. Because a woman can't do anything right without help. She handled Trump his ass because women have to deal with men like him on a daily basis from childhood. She's been prepared for this since she was in college.

Seriously.

The difference between the primary and the general is that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio had no way to respond to Trump's antics. They expected a certain level of professionalism and decorum on and off the stage. They expected to be treated like human beings, to respectfully discuss their policies, and had absolutely no defense for how extremely personal Trump kept making it.

Hillary Clinton has no expectation that her political opponent will treat her as a human being, will display any kind of dignity or professionalism towards her, or that they will make any attempt to discuss her policies over her, personally. For thirty years, she's been a powerful, influential woman in Washington D.C. Trump's inappropriate and undignified ravings are just another day at the office for her.

edited 29th Sep '16 9:46:47 AM by TobiasDrake

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140958: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:05:38 AM

I'm now imagining a game where a mustachioed Mexican dude in overalls is running up the scaffolding of Trump's underfunded wall at the border with Trump himself standing at the top, angrily throwing barrels at him.

I got the idea while considering whether or not I should coin "King Troompa" as an Affectionate Nickname for him. I mean seriously, doesn't it just roll off the tongue? [lol]

edited 29th Sep '16 10:09:02 AM by nervmeister

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#140959: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:09:30 AM

When he picks up the hammer, does the music play La Cucaracha?

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140960: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:10:26 AM

[up]Sure, why not.

Seriously, an angry 8-bit Trump shaking both his fists upwards would be so adorable! [lol]

edited 29th Sep '16 10:12:53 AM by nervmeister

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140961: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:15:20 AM

Float that idea in the right crowd of people who enjoy making ROM hacks or flash games on a lark and I bet it would happen.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#140962: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:31:46 AM

So I've been seeing some comments on a different site claiming that Clinton is really the hardcore racist, not Trump, saying she was clearly and openly racist during the debate.

Since I didn't watch the debate, anyone have an idea what they're basing this on?

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#140963: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:32:51 AM

Dunno. Apparently they watched the version of the debate that was broadcast from the Moon. It's usually best to treat such claims as false by default.

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#140964: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:34:03 AM

They're just really deeply in denial. It's not like Trump supporters have ever been guilty of logical consistency.

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#140965: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:40:41 AM

@nervmeister: I would suggest the name... Trumpy Kong given what the game is a parody of.

edited 29th Sep '16 10:41:49 AM by GameGuruGG

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#140966: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:45:44 AM

Split Over Donald Trump and Cut Off by Culture Wars, Evangelicals Despair NY Times, so keep in mind 10 free article per month limit. Long article. Way longer than my quoted portions.

Guess they're not as powerful anymore as they used to be. Pardon me while I play the world's smallest violin.

Now, a year later, the Odgaards and other conservative evangelicals interviewed in central Iowa say they feel as though they have been abandoned. Many say that they have no genuine champion in the presidential race and that the country has turned its back on them. Americans are leaving church, same-sex marriage is the law of the land, and the country has moved on to debating transgender rights. While other Americans are anxious about the economy, jobs and terrorism, conservative Christians say they fear for the nation’s very soul. Some worry that the nation has strayed so far that God’s punishment is imminent.

Yes, because God will punish a country that ended slavery and child labor (well, mostly ended them) a long time ago. If God was gonna punish us, why not do in the 19th century when the US was far more cruel?

So, in a year where many voters see nothing but bad choices, many evangelicals feel deeply torn. Long a reliable Republican voting bloc, many are appalled to find Donald J. Trump their only alternative to Hillary Clinton. They say he has taken positions all over the map on same-sex couples and abortion and does not have the character to be president. Others are still bewildered that Mr. Trump defeated not only Mr. Cruz — a pastor’s son who made “religious liberty” a signature issue — but also half a dozen other conservative Christian contenders they would have gladly supported.

Part of it of course was that there were so many other conservative Christian contenders.

The change in America seemed to happen so quickly that it felt like whiplash, the Odgaards said. One day they felt comfortably situated in the American majority, as Christians with shared beliefs in God, family and the Bible. They had never even imagined that two people of the same sex could marry.

Overnight, it seemed, they discovered that even in small-town Iowa they were outnumbered, isolated and unpopular. Everyone they knew seemed to have a gay relative or friend. Mr. Odgaard’s daughter from his first marriage disavowed her father’s actions on Facebook, and his gay second cousin will not speak to him. Even their own Mennonite congregation put out a statement saying that while their denomination opposes gay marriage, “not every congregation” or Mennonite does. Mrs. Odgaard, 64, the daughter of a Mennonite minister, was devastated.

“It all flipped, so fast,” said Mr. Odgaard, a patrician 70-year-old who favors khakis and boat shoes. “Suddenly, we were in the minority. That was kind of a scary feeling. It makes you wonder where the Christians went.”

Rapid change. I find it interesting that even their small town changed so quickly.

“I’m worried for America if we don’t turn away from abortion,” said Mrs. Berkheimer, who is 48. “I think our country is going to be punished, with a nuclear weapon. I don’t think you can mock God forever.”

She quickly added that she was worried she would sound crazy saying such things.

I wonder why?

In a studio on the sixth floor, the host of a daily afternoon talk show, J. Michael Mc Koy, known as Mac, sat at a broad table recently facing his three co-hosts. Leaning into the microphone, he asked his listeners, “Do you boycott businesses that go against your walk with Jesus?”

Should Christians boycott Target for announcing that transgender people could use the restrooms of their choice, he asked, or Ikea for a winsome ad featuring gay families? Callers’ reactions were mixed. A woman said Target “only cares about political correctness.” A man pointed out, “Even gay parents need furniture.”

With more and more businesses moving to the internet, I have to wonder how successful conservative boycotts will ultimately be. Generational change and more young people using the internet, and all that.

Mr. Rohloff said he had thought that Mr. Trump was finished last year, the moment he said at a candidates’ forum in Iowa that he had never asked God for forgiveness.

“Everyone in the room just went, ‘Are you kidding me?’ Even if you’ve never done it, you should at least know the right answer,” Mr. Rohloff said. “That’s a fundamental thing for Christians.”

But by late September, Mr. Mc Koy said in a telephone interview that he and his co-hosts had decided to vote Trump: ““It’s the lesser of two evils. And I don’t know by how much.”

Some evangelicals in Iowa said Christians who praised Mr. Trump were giving Christianity a bad name. They blamed evangelicals in the South or “Nascar Christians” who go to church only when car races are not on.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#140967: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:47:03 AM

I'm guessing it's a "talking about racism is the real racism" type thing. Or that she secretly wants black people to die and Trump wants to save them from themselves.

Who's ready for Trump being even more of a sleazebag? yes, it's possible

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
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#140968: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:57:56 AM

The others said they had not decided how they would vote. None had supported Mr. Trump in the Iowa caucuses. Mr. Mc Koy and Chris Rohloff had supported Marco Rubio, Mr. Holzhauser had favored Ben Carson, and Bob Monserrate had backed Mr. Cruz. Mr. Rohloff said he had thought that Mr. Trump was finished last year, the moment he said at a candidates’ forum in Iowa that he had never asked God for forgiveness.

“Everyone in the room just went, ‘Are you kidding me?’ Even if you’ve never done it, you should at least know the right answer,” Mr. Rohloff said. “That’s a fundamental thing for Christians.”

To live in a world where you think a candidate lives or dies by their devotion to "good old christian values", and not by how much they do or don't appeal to racial and xenophobic anxieties.

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#140969: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:02:25 AM

I'm not crying for those evangelicals. Not at all. I feel some pity that their cherished worldview is collapsing.

Also, the idea that Trump would beg anyone, even God, for forgiveness... [lol]

edited 29th Sep '16 11:05:05 AM by Fighteer

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#140971: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:06:01 AM

[up] How many support a wall along the Canadian bordernote ?

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#140972: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:06:16 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6L3PpcvZ14&time_continue=7

Trump surrogate just confirmed on National tv that He violated the Cuban embargo.

Lmfao

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#140973: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:07:08 AM

They literally want to build a fort around the country. What the literal fuck.

Also, I'm glad those fundamentalists are losing their voice, but it needs to speed up.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#140974: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:08:36 AM

The last time someone tried to build an Atlantic Wall, it failed to keep the invaders at bay and it was the idea of a really really really bad guy.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140975: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:11:19 AM

Attempting a topic diversion away from the elections:

Supreme Court to take up a case over whether the Trademark Office can refuse to register offensive trademarks. (Wa. Post, view-per-month paywall)

In a nutshell, the claimant is an Asian-American band calling themselves "The Slants" (they're fully aware of the implication of the name, "The Slants say their goal in choosing the name was to transform a derisive term about the shape of Asian eyes into a statement of ethnic and cultural pride."). The current federal court ruling is that the law barring ofensive trademarks violates free speech rights.

On the flip side, the case is being piggybacked on by the Washington Redskins (whose own case is still waiting in on the district court). The Redskins had their trademark canceled under the same law because of constant legal challenges from Native American groups.

Overall, I'm not 100% sure whether trademark protection is a free speech issue though my own biases would probably steer me toward agreeing with the lower court ruling.


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