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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Yin Yang: She's has 20+ years as a career politician, a large number of accusations leveled against her (very few of them amounting to much) and there is a baseline of distrust of politicians coupled with the assumption that "she keeps getting accused of things and hasn't faced any repercussions, that sounds shady". There's the opportunism angle (she became a NY senator largely on the back of her First Lady popularity without ever having lived in NY before because the seat was open, though there haven't been many complaints from where I've been about the job she did once there) and the presumption that she's been groomed as the Dem's presidential hopeful since then. And there's the section of the left that labels her hawkish for not being an absolute dove as Sec of State and having voted in favor of the Iraq War resolution as senator and is skeptical of her commitment to oppose the TPP in its current form.
And that's before you get into the sexist stuff and the conspiracy theory stuff (like the idea the Clintons had the guy involved in the Whitewater scandal murdered).
edited 29th Sep '16 9:17:08 AM by Elle
So, the 9/11 Bill. My political science teacher says congress wanted it passed to get the goodwill of voters, and didn't put much thought into writing it. Basically this bill lets Americans sue foreign governments if they believe they are responsible for a terror attack they are a victim of. Sounds reasonable at first, except it violates sovereignty of other states. Plus, when those governments inevetibly don't show up at court or pay any dues to the victims, their assets on American soil can be seized as compensation. Yep, don't see how this can go wrong at all
@nervmeister: I'm not arguing with you on principle; I'm saying that the Supreme Court would hold such a law as being in violation of the Constitution.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Okay. Maybe forcing them to cut into their own time is a clear breach of that. If so, then I don't want to cause a snowball effect of escalating constitutional violations. But what if say, they dedicated one of those little horizontal scrolling bars at the bottom of the screen to giving out the raw, uncut facts while the talking heads do their thing?
edited 29th Sep '16 9:42:13 AM by nervmeister
Seriously.
The difference between the primary and the general is that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio had no way to respond to Trump's antics. They expected a certain level of professionalism and decorum on and off the stage. They expected to be treated like human beings, to respectfully discuss their policies, and had absolutely no defense for how extremely personal Trump kept making it.
Hillary Clinton has no expectation that her political opponent will treat her as a human being, will display any kind of dignity or professionalism towards her, or that they will make any attempt to discuss her policies over her, personally. For thirty years, she's been a powerful, influential woman in Washington D.C. Trump's inappropriate and undignified ravings are just another day at the office for her.
edited 29th Sep '16 9:46:47 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm now imagining a game where a mustachioed Mexican dude in overalls is running up the scaffolding of Trump's underfunded wall at the border with Trump himself standing at the top, angrily throwing barrels at him.
I got the idea while considering whether or not I should coin "King Troompa" as an Affectionate Nickname for him. I mean seriously, doesn't it just roll off the tongue?
edited 29th Sep '16 10:09:02 AM by nervmeister
When he picks up the hammer, does the music play La Cucaracha?
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Dunno. Apparently they watched the version of the debate that was broadcast from the Moon. It's usually best to treat such claims as false by default.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@nervmeister: I would suggest the name... Trumpy Kong given what the game is a parody of.
edited 29th Sep '16 10:41:49 AM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food BadlySplit Over Donald Trump and Cut Off by Culture Wars, Evangelicals Despair
NY Times, so keep in mind 10 free article per month limit. Long article. Way longer than my quoted portions.
Guess they're not as powerful anymore as they used to be. Pardon me while I play the world's smallest violin.
Yes, because God will punish a country that ended slavery and child labor (well, mostly ended them) a long time ago. If God was gonna punish us, why not do in the 19th century when the US was far more cruel?
Part of it of course was that there were so many other conservative Christian contenders.
Overnight, it seemed, they discovered that even in small-town Iowa they were outnumbered, isolated and unpopular. Everyone they knew seemed to have a gay relative or friend. Mr. Odgaard’s daughter from his first marriage disavowed her father’s actions on Facebook, and his gay second cousin will not speak to him. Even their own Mennonite congregation put out a statement saying that while their denomination opposes gay marriage, “not every congregation” or Mennonite does. Mrs. Odgaard, 64, the daughter of a Mennonite minister, was devastated.
“It all flipped, so fast,” said Mr. Odgaard, a patrician 70-year-old who favors khakis and boat shoes. “Suddenly, we were in the minority. That was kind of a scary feeling. It makes you wonder where the Christians went.”
Rapid change. I find it interesting that even their small town changed so quickly.
She quickly added that she was worried she would sound crazy saying such things.
I wonder why?
Should Christians boycott Target for announcing that transgender people could use the restrooms of their choice, he asked, or Ikea for a winsome ad featuring gay families? Callers’ reactions were mixed. A woman said Target “only cares about political correctness.” A man pointed out, “Even gay parents need furniture.”
With more and more businesses moving to the internet, I have to wonder how successful conservative boycotts will ultimately be. Generational change and more young people using the internet, and all that.
“Everyone in the room just went, ‘Are you kidding me?’ Even if you’ve never done it, you should at least know the right answer,” Mr. Rohloff said. “That’s a fundamental thing for Christians.”
But by late September, Mr. Mc Koy said in a telephone interview that he and his co-hosts had decided to vote Trump: ““It’s the lesser of two evils. And I don’t know by how much.”
Some evangelicals in Iowa said Christians who praised Mr. Trump were giving Christianity a bad name. They blamed evangelicals in the South or “Nascar Christians” who go to church only when car races are not on.
I'm guessing it's a "talking about racism is the real racism" type thing. Or that she secretly wants black people to die and Trump wants to save them from themselves.
Who's ready for Trump being even more of a sleazebag? yes, it's possible
“Everyone in the room just went, ‘Are you kidding me?’ Even if you’ve never done it, you should at least know the right answer,” Mr. Rohloff said. “That’s a fundamental thing for Christians.”
To live in a world where you think a candidate lives or dies by their devotion to "good old christian values", and not by how much they do or don't appeal to racial and xenophobic anxieties.
I'm not crying for those evangelicals. Not at all. I feel some pity that their cherished worldview is collapsing.
Also, the idea that Trump would beg anyone, even God, for forgiveness...
edited 29th Sep '16 11:05:05 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6L3PpcvZ14&time_continue=7
Trump surrogate just confirmed on National tv that He violated the Cuban embargo.
Lmfao
Clown shoes
New Survey coming this weekend!Attempting a topic diversion away from the elections:
Supreme Court to take up a case over whether the Trademark Office can refuse to register offensive trademarks.
(Wa. Post, view-per-month paywall)
In a nutshell, the claimant is an Asian-American band calling themselves "The Slants" (they're fully aware of the implication of the name, "The Slants say their goal in choosing the name was to transform a derisive term about the shape of Asian eyes into a statement of ethnic and cultural pride."). The current federal court ruling is that the law barring ofensive trademarks violates free speech rights.
On the flip side, the case is being piggybacked on by the Washington Redskins (whose own case is still waiting in on the district court). The Redskins had their trademark canceled under the same law because of constant legal challenges from Native American groups.
Overall, I'm not 100% sure whether trademark protection is a free speech issue though my own biases would probably steer me toward agreeing with the lower court ruling.

... Listing them would probably just give them credence - that's just how psychology works, and what the lie machine counts on - if you hear sufficiently long list of accusations, it's really difficult to just discount all of them, but to help calibrate the disregard for truth and sanity were dealing with here..
She's routinely accused of being Satan. No, not joking. A big chunk of the crazy base actually think she's working for the infernal powers.