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randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#140751: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:13:25 PM

edited 11th Dec '16 8:45:56 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#140752: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:21:17 PM

I think the idea behind Shell Shock versus PTSD is that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder makes the sufferer sound "weak", like they couldn't handle the stress of combat. They were traumatized. Which, well, they were, but this goes against people's notions of manliness and soldiering. Soldiers are supposed to be the toughest of the tough, so the ones who got PTSD must be the pansies who couldn't handle it.

By contrast, the term Shell Shock blatantly calls to mind the image of a soldier risking their life in the trenches, with artillery landing all around them, and implies that they're just a bit rattled and need to recover. Which maybe downplays the severity of the condition, but also makes treating it sound more appealing to the sort of person who might consider PTSD to be a condition for pansies. These brave shell shocked veterans need to be given a chance to recover.

Not saying that anyone might have actually gotten treatment with simply a different name for their condition, but I'd imagine something like that was supposed to be the idea.

edited 27th Sep '16 10:23:03 PM by Clarste

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#140753: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:22:47 PM

[up][up]Well that would mean more tax to devote to psychological research/treatment and education. But that would just be the Lefties taking away money from the rich, isn't it?

[up]Exactly what you expect from a nation that has more testosterone than water.

edited 27th Sep '16 10:25:40 PM by flameboy21th

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#140754: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:27:01 PM

Someone brought up a good point about how the alt-righters tend to be incredibly thin-skinned. It's pretty true, since they genuinely view whites as 'under attack' and the one group 'it's okay to be racist towards.'

They're angry their money goes to pay for welfare, which they see as going towards non-working minorities and/or illegal immigrants, for a start. So yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy and double standards on the 'tough' right.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#140755: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:51:43 PM

"Regarding mentally ill presidents, Grant suffered from PTSD, and was severely alcoholic to boot."

Records suggests Grant got drunk quickly after a binge, but this didn't happen often. His reputation as a drinker came from a particularly bad spell before the Civil War that forced him to resign from the army. He did get drunk on a few occasions during the war when there was no fighting going on, but all evidence points to him being sober when conducting battles and during his presidency.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#140756: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:02:48 PM

(NOTE: I am not in favor of banning abortion or overturning Roe v. Wade in any capacity, and I think women should always have the right to choose one way or the other without being judged egregiously. What I do think is that life starts at conception - thus abortion takes a life - and that abortion should be discouraged while we look at tackling the issues that lead to women deciding to get abortions in the first place: lack of contraceptives, poor foster care system, pre-natal and congenital diseases, etc.).

Honestly, that sounds closer to Tim Kaine's position on the subject (though I don't know if that's exactly the same).

edited 27th Sep '16 11:03:04 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#140757: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:21:18 PM

@Random if you want to drop it that's fine, but in the end there's little I can do other than call him an idiot when all you said is that he is someone who believes a huge number of factual incorrect things. I mean I guess gullible is a nicer word but in the end I'm working off the information you've given me, and that is that your freind believes a bunch of things that are factually and provably wrong.

On the Shell Shock vs PTSD thing, remember while Shell Shock is only about vets PTSD is about a lot more than that, I know American culture likes to act like only vets get PTSD but that's simply not true, hell I only know one person with PTSD and they've never been in a military.

Also the problem with trying to connect Vietnam Vets with vets from either world war is that World War One was at least fought in part to protect democracies and the US was a actor with the moral high ground, World War Two was fought to protect the US, while Vietnam ant about protecting the US, it wasn't even about helping another democracy, it was about enforcing America's will on other via the barrel of a gun. Now none of that was the fault of the common soilder but let's not act as if the wars were morally equal.

edited 27th Sep '16 11:21:36 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#140758: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:34:50 PM

Not to mention America gave up half way through. Making the efforts pointless.

edited 27th Sep '16 11:36:00 PM by flameboy21th

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#140759: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:38:02 PM

[up] And was...late for the World Wars.

Keep Rolling On
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#140761: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:20:25 AM

[up][up]Like TV Littlefinger?

edited 28th Sep '16 12:21:18 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#140762: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:40:17 AM

No, like a wizard.

"America is never late, I arrive precisely when I mean to."

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#140763: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:53:26 AM

I feel the need to point out that there are plenty of white people on welfare. Are the alt-right going to start acting racist towards them, too? Probably not.

Do not obey in advance.
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#140764: Sep 28th 2016 at 1:30:50 AM

In fact, I see a lot of similarity between the Vietnam and Iraq wars. But this time around, people seem to grasp more the distinction between the politicians who decided of the war and the soldiers who were sent there.


Quoth randomdude4:

we look at tackling the issues that lead to women deciding to get abortions in the first place: lack of contraceptives, poor foster care system, pre-natal and congenital diseases, etc.
Which is precisely the position of pro-abortion-rights groups, and often what anti-abortionist politicians fight against.

edited 28th Sep '16 1:32:01 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140765: Sep 28th 2016 at 2:00:20 AM

There is an intense belief behind Milo and his fans that being called racist is the worst thing. That it's a Scarlet Letter the left hangs around its enemies to silence them, and since they're not actively assaulting and lynching people they can't possibly be racist.

Milo's probably referring to those "case studies" on college campuses and the internet who(m) do engage in the kind of thing he's referring to (known as the regressive or authoritarian left). While that is a thing that ought to be kept in check (via constant criticism) individuals in the alt-right tend to embellish the severity of that particular issue.

edited 28th Sep '16 2:09:47 AM by nervmeister

Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#140766: Sep 28th 2016 at 3:00:07 AM

It is actually much simpler than that. They just like being the sympathetic victims. Everyone like to become the victims that are coddled and pampered by everyone. Besides, if they are the victims, everything they do automatically become justified retaliation.

If they accept being called a racist or even a douchebag, it means that they are no longer the sympathetic victim, but the unsympathetic persecutor. Victim complex FTW, yo.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140767: Sep 28th 2016 at 3:21:37 AM

Everyone like to become the victims that are coddled and pampered by everyone.
Not everyone. There are those who'd rather not use their circumstances or some kind of oppressor (real or imagined) as an excuse to escape any kind of responsibility, either because they're remarkably in touch with themselves or remarkably positive-minded (those two are not mutually exclusive BTW).

edited 28th Sep '16 3:34:16 AM by nervmeister

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#140768: Sep 28th 2016 at 3:45:47 AM

[up]And adding that is necessary... because?

From Patheos: First Debate Highlights: That Moment Every Woman Knew What It Felt Like to Be Hillary.

I have no idea how on earth you get to be running for a major position and complain about attack ads either.

edited 28th Sep '16 3:46:52 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140769: Sep 28th 2016 at 3:53:40 AM

And adding that is necessary... because?
Well it's to explain why not EVERYONE fancies themselves the victim. That and I'm in love with the sound of my own voice.

edited 28th Sep '16 4:01:34 AM by nervmeister

Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#140770: Sep 28th 2016 at 4:12:17 AM

[up] Sorry about that. I don't exactly mean everyone, but most or a lot of people. Sorry for the confusion.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#140771: Sep 28th 2016 at 4:16:07 AM

Objectivists and some kinds of Classical Liberals love to think of themselves as fully responsible for their own fate.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#140772: Sep 28th 2016 at 4:16:16 AM

So... #NotAllWhiteCisMales? What a helpful observation.

Ford has finally stepped in to debunk Trump's claims about US job losses from Ford production shifts, after almost everyone supporting the GOP on Twitter started repeating it. Why rapid fact-checking is useful, in other words. No point doing it after every case of Facebook Stolen Valor has reposted some meme about the globalists at Ford leaving poor factory workers jobless. What do xenophobic right wingers drive anyway?

edited 28th Sep '16 4:16:42 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#140773: Sep 28th 2016 at 4:19:16 AM

So... #Not All White Cis Males? What a helpful observation.
Not all non-Cis White Males either. Humans in general, really.

Objectivists and some kinds of Classical Liberals love to think of themselves as fully responsible for their own fate.
Well since I desire to empower myself and avoid lapsing into any kind of toxic groupthink (whether on the right or left), I think it's best for me to get as close to ths mindset as possible, erroneous as it may be.

edited 28th Sep '16 4:36:36 AM by nervmeister

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#140774: Sep 28th 2016 at 5:05:50 AM

[up][up]

What do xenophobic right wingers drive anyway?

None of that new crap. Probably not anything less than 20 years old.

Keep Rolling On
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#140775: Sep 28th 2016 at 5:37:13 AM

My community actually has several gas stations that cater exclusively to them, offering only ethanol-free gasoline at twice the price of normal gas. One recently offered a "Fuck Obama Coal-Roller" kit for diesel engines that caused them to belch black smoke from the exhaust.

edited 28th Sep '16 5:41:56 AM by carbon-mantis


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