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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
So, I'm very pleasantly surprised about the debate. We got the best version of Hilary and what is probably the worst version of Trump, short of descending into profanity.
Someone on MSNBC made what I think is a good point prior to the debates. Basically, the instances where Trump was able to "look Presidential" were for 20 minute speeches in which he was reading off a teleprompter to a sympathetic crowd. That doesn't (and didn't) mean he could do the same trick in a debate format.
I do think he will do better the next time around, because Trump "being Presidential" tends to happen as compensation for a recent screw-up. So, he does listen to his aids to that extent. Although, given the mutual antipathy between Trump and Anderson Cooper, I wonder...
But yeah, it's weird how well the "baiting Trump" thing actually worked. My biggest worry is that Hilary exhausted all of her zingers.
One other take away. So, there's rightfully a lot of discussion of sexism, especially in terms of women dealing with jerkish Know-Nothing Know-It-All guys lecturing them on an area of expertise. And so it might be some internal sexism that what I/we see is the best Clinton is partly in terms of her maintaining a very pleasant attitude in the face of Trump's yelling. It worked in any case.
It also struck me that Trump didn't do himself any favors by also directing that hostility toward the moderator. Like I think Holt did a good job in any event, but it probably "helped" that Trump treated him like the enemy, so he had no incentive to go easy on Trump. Although to say that Holt was a thousand times better than Matt Lauer is Damning With Faint Praise, it's very true. Incidentally,I think that was Clinton's big weakness during that debate- having a hostile reaction toward some of the questions from Lauer/audience members.
edited 27th Sep '16 6:04:04 AM by Hodor2
Trump is now trying to deny that he ever said he was smart for avoiding tax
.
For those who slept through the debates: most outlets and polls are showing a Hillary win.
For the pessimists among us Nate Silver did make a very good point in that this should probably move Clinton up a few points but what if it doesn't? If a horrible showing by Trump and a great showing by Clinton doesn't move the needle at all we've officially reached shooting a man and being forgiven levels of cult of personality.
I'm betting for a 2/4 point bounce for Clinton and if she can keep that going it'll be a very easy win.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?There might be a time and place where that's funny but this forum isn't likely to find it so lately. :P
#TrumpWon is trending on twitter but a lot of it is people going *how the fuck is this trending?*. And of course his supporters are claiming he did and Fox is spinning "the moderator was biased"..
edited 27th Sep '16 6:23:51 AM by Elle
edited 27th Sep '16 6:47:17 AM by sgamer82
Indeed.
Also, Trump campaign frantically editing his Twitter
. The "global warming a Chinese hoax" tweet has been deleted.
Speaking of Internet stuff, the ADL now has racist Pepes in its hate symbol database
. Feels bad man.
Lin-Manuel Miranda was commenting live on the debate
. Well, now I learn of it...
If you can't see it after this is posted, then you know it's been deleted.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotWell, this was damn good news to wake up to. Even CNN seems to think that Clinton won.
A debate expert (widely considered one of the top four in the US) essentially gave Trump straight F grades. Everything from his substance to his personality involved doing almost everything you aren't supposed to do in a debate, and a one-on-one debate didn't let him hide behind a GOP field that was terrified of his base.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/opinions/debate-coach-clinton-trump-debate/index.html
Clinton didn't need a moderator to put Trump in his place last night. Hell, she didn't do much on that, Trump is very capable of making himself look bad.
edited 27th Sep '16 7:06:22 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.My knowledge of how the debate went comes from the Chuck Tingle livetweeting of it.
I hope that the population of underrock residence wont be scared by the trump fans screaming around about how he actually won and bias and whatnot.
The Washington Post has a recap of many of the highlights, including commentary from lots of individuals.
My two cents: Trump started out energetic (albeit quite dickish- he interrupted Hillary numerous times), but ended with his tail between his legs.
Romney's debate bounce failed due to Obama trouncing him in the next two debates, and Biden holding his own against Ryan.
On that note, one week from today its time for the Vice Presidential debate (the ride never ends
). Religious fanatic #12586 VS America's stepdad.
Of interest to the statistics nerds: People are more likely to respond to polls if they think their preferred candidate is doing well.
It may explain things like convention bumps and Romney's post-debate bump and may have little to do with minds changing or swing voters.
edited 27th Sep '16 7:54:54 AM by Elle
Kaine is funny step-dad who makes bad jokes, Pence is pack you off to conversion therapy step-dad.
Also I notice that Trump's Iran comment is getting little press. When Clinton called him on his "blow taunting Iranians out of the water" idea and said he'd start a war doing that he insisted that it wouldn't start a war.
He honestly doesn't get international relations at all.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI'm aware of why Romney's bounce failed to hold, but strictly speaking, there's no reason that can't happen again. Clinton most likely has the advantage going forward, but the fundamental models suggest this should be an extremely close race with a very slight advantage for democrats, and that's what polls currently reflect.
edited 27th Sep '16 7:57:16 AM by CaptainCapsase

NPR has a transcription of the debate with fact check annotations