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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140476: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:21:53 PM

[up][up] Yes, but you have to think from the perspective of the lowest common denominator, not your own perspective. Who may very well not understand a good third of the words Clinton was using; that's one theory on why Trump's done so well; he's using a vocabulary that even someone whose functionally illiterate can comprehend.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Clinton is much more likely than Trump to gain from this debate, but it might very well be that the polls don't go anywhere, since this debate hasn't shown the electorate anything we haven't already seen. Trump was his usual self, Clinton was her usual self.

edited 26th Sep '16 8:29:01 PM by CaptainCapsase

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#140477: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:25:51 PM

There's also another issue; Trump did well in the opening of the debate, and was doing alright by Trump standards for the first half.

I'm genuinely curious here. Trump started speaking over the moderator and interrupting Clinton and other tantrum-ish behavior in the first third of the debate. He mellowed out in the middle then started "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!"-ing and other tantrum behavior in the last third. Why do you think he was stronger in the first half?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140478: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:26:39 PM

[up] That's the only part of the debate where he was actually talking something that comes close to resembling policy. Then you have the opening minute or two when he actually sounded borderline presidential, where the crowd started cheering for him, and where Clinton's issues got the most focus.

edited 26th Sep '16 8:28:50 PM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140479: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:32:50 PM

For what it's worth, local upstate NY news in an area with a fair amount of rural Trump supporters: informal poll on who won, 53% Clinton, 35% Trump, 12% not impressed with either.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#140480: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:33:07 PM

It was a strong start for him in that he managed to not be so trumpy for like 20 minutes and that is pretty close to a win for him. Can we just all acknowledge that Clinton brought the fire tonight? I really didn't expect her to be the one throwing shade at every opportunity but damn feisty Hillary needs to show up more often.

Also his mini-fucking meltdown was hilarious. "she's been so mean to her and I could be so like super mean but I'm not gonna!" It was like a fucking toddlers idea of being witty.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140481: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:34:24 PM

[up] She did about as well as I'd expect; reasonably well. But the real question I think is whether or not either of them will get undecided voters to jump ship. Trump certainly won't, but I don't know if Clinton really did much to sell herself as opposed to tearing down Trump, and given he didn't say anything unusually horrible by Trump standards tonight, I intuitively doubt he's going to lose many voters.

edited 26th Sep '16 8:36:00 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#140482: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:35:37 PM

From the CNN coverage, undecided voters are going to Hillary right now.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#140483: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:36:53 PM

Clinton is probably gonna have the best sleep she had all Campaign.

New Survey coming this weekend!
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140484: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:37:05 PM

[up][up] I would hope they would, considering the network's political alignment. Once again, we'll have to wait for polls. I fully expect the sound bites to be dominated largely by the candidates insulting each other rather than by Clinton's policy positions, and though 100 million people did indeed tune in to the debates, how many of those people had already made their decisions?

While I regard it as implausible that Trump will gain support from this debate, I don't think there's enough data yet to conclude Clinton will necessarily make major gains either.

edited 26th Sep '16 8:41:07 PM by CaptainCapsase

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140485: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:41:14 PM

My takeaway is that neither candidate is likely to have lost much support from this, but the undecideds are gonna favour Hillary more than Trump.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140486: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:41:51 PM

[up] That's what I would intuitively expect, though it should be said that I also have a sinking feeling that the undecided voters simply will end up not voting; neither candidate showed us something new tonight, and the undecided voters might simply go third party or change their minds about voting.

edited 26th Sep '16 8:43:17 PM by CaptainCapsase

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140488: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:46:08 PM

[up] A much more sober perspective.

"If the polls move, it'll probably be towards Clinton, but we don't know if they're going to move that much."

edited 26th Sep '16 8:46:44 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#140489: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:47:01 PM

While not representative of the public at large both reddit/twitter seem to be in agreement that Clinton won

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140490: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:47:12 PM

Colbert meanwhile is pretty consistently slamming Trump. Hillary at worst got some terrible puns.

(Then again I don't expect neutrality from Colbert, I go to him for the catharsis of expert bullshit takedowns.)

edited 26th Sep '16 8:49:42 PM by Elle

Jetyl The Dev Cat from my apartment Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Dev Cat
#140491: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:56:37 PM

[up] could I get a link? I can't find it. sad

[down], [down][down] ah k, thank. I can wait.

edited 26th Sep '16 8:59:38 PM by Jetyl

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#140492: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:58:17 PM

It's live on CBS, but it's about over now. It'll be on his You Tube channel in a couple hours anyway.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140493: Sep 26th 2016 at 8:58:41 PM

Colbert? Live tv. Won't be on You Tube till sometime tomorrow at the earliest.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#140494: Sep 26th 2016 at 9:01:59 PM

Wow, somehow my brother and his friends still think that Trump won that debate.

Then again he wasn't watching so it's no surprise.

CathariSarad (Not-So-Newbie)
#140495: Sep 26th 2016 at 9:08:48 PM

@First third of debate: I don't really have that much expertise on economic stuff either, but it only takes minimal understanding of that kind of stuff to see the holes in Trump's economic/trade stuff. He kept railing on NAFTA and stuff, and while I don't really know all the nuts and bolts of its effects, I vaguely remember reading some journal article thing some time ago that outlined some of its workings. I don't remember all the details and numbers and stuff but I think it overall argued that trade agreement in particular provided for overall positive economic growth for parties involved (though I think it was more significant for Mexico than the U.S.). Generally trade deals are positive overall except to those who might be more directly impacted, as they allow for more efficient allocation of manpower within the countries involved and can provide job growth/cheap goods/more goods since freer trade allows businesses to acquire more cash with which to acquire more labor. Trying to renegotiate stuff so it's "more beneficial" for America would likely clutter stuff and produce ill will/complications, which might cause reduced investments.

Also, the "trade deficit" thing that toupee man keep going on about isn't inherently a bad thing, as national debt and stuff doesn't work like personal debt, and us owing stuff to other countries (and businesses/things within our own country) means they are invested in us. Trying to do tributary stuff would probably cause partners to look elsewhere or something like that, which will reduce business and stuff and reduce our economic standing. People more affected by this or those worried about "people taking our jobs" probably won't see this, even though economic/job growth could potentially work both ways, so long as there are mechanisms to cushion the process as resource/manpower reallocation occurs.

I don't really know all that much, and someone else could probably explain stuff better than me, though these are kinda my thoughts on that matter in particular. I used to be terrified of the TPP, though after reading into stuff more, looking outside of the people screaming about copyright stuff and looking into its working, my mind's kinda changed on the matter of trade. Don't really have any sources to back my thoughts up with though.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#140496: Sep 26th 2016 at 9:27:47 PM

I was writing a longer reply but lost it to something glitching. Basic answer: the problems with the TPP come down to specific bad provisions, not the idea of trade deals in general (for the most part). The provisions on internet copyright enforcement are one - they're a rebranded version of SOPA/PIPA, bills that were shouted down only by concentrated pu,blic opposition. The other are provisions that would expand the ability of corperations to sue foreign governments for things they say hurt their profits, which is a pretty big can of worms.

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i'm tired, my friend
#140497: Sep 26th 2016 at 9:28:42 PM

TV Tropes is like the only place I frequent that seems almost unanimously happy about how the debate went.

i'm tired, my friend
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#140498: Sep 26th 2016 at 9:32:16 PM

While Trump has a point about there no being hard evidence Russia was behind the latest round of hacking in the US, I noticed he was always quick to downplay the threat of Russia, often by bringing up China as a substitute threat.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#140500: Sep 26th 2016 at 9:33:57 PM

Dryer than Death Valley, Clinton's wit can be. I love it.

edited 26th Sep '16 9:34:18 PM by Parable


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