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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#140051: Sep 25th 2016 at 9:59:12 AM

It can be healed, it is just going to take a few generations, and when the bigots to die of natural causes.

[down]That is why I think it will happen when they all die.

edited 25th Sep '16 10:16:01 AM by AngelusNox

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#140052: Sep 25th 2016 at 10:13:20 AM

"Healed" implies that the people with racist attitudes will be reconciled with society. I just don't see that happening on a large enough scale to make a difference.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#140054: Sep 25th 2016 at 10:55:56 AM

I don't buy the whole bigotry will end when old people die argument. Bigots are created every single day, and millennials are, statistically, just as racist as their parents.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#140055: Sep 25th 2016 at 11:01:00 AM

Things like this are easier to talk about if you just accept that there are always going to be people who will hold hateful views. I feel like I've never gotten riled up by these kind of things as much because I've never had the assumption that we're going to "evolve" past it.

It's why stuff like people going "It's [insert year] how is racism still a thing" never meshed with me. It always came off like looking down on the previous generation and giving your own too much credit. I mean, apparently every generation looks down on the one before it, and vice versa, but still.

edited 25th Sep '16 11:02:06 AM by LSBK

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#140056: Sep 25th 2016 at 11:18:02 AM

millennials are, statistically, just as racist as their parents.
I don't believe that this is actually the case? My understanding was the opposite, that younger people are significantly less likely to support discriminatory policies. Though that may be that the younger generation is itself considerably more diverse, rather than being a factor of age in and of itself.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#140058: Sep 25th 2016 at 11:58:39 AM

Seems like people are getting confused about various definitions of "racism". When we talk about millennials being less racist, we are talking about them not voting for racist policies/parties. Not about them not displaying subconscious biases, which they do (as that WAPO article demonstrates - with some caveats).

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140059: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:35:14 PM

So I've been looking at the demographic breakdowns of recent polls, and is it just me or is Trump getting somewhat more black voters than Romney did?

It makes a certain amount of sense, I suppose. Trump's message to the black community was, when you strip away his constantly shifting and extremely vague "policy" proposals, "the democrats have failed you. I have the answers, vote for me and I'll fix your problems." If he wasn't running on the Republican ticket, I could absolutely see that succeeding to a frightening degree.

Obviously there's no way he's getting a breakthrough, especially at this point, but it also looks like (as many predicted) that Clinton's share of the black vote is down quite a bit relative to Obama.

edited 25th Sep '16 12:36:15 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#140060: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:37:20 PM

[up][up]See I don't hate black people I just have problems with black culture.

I've heard that one from the tolerant young liberal type before and I'm still not sure how to respond to it outside of just walking away while sighing.

[up] Where'd you get that data from? Fairly certain he's still polling at fourth in new york and cali.

edited 25th Sep '16 12:38:40 PM by thatguythere47

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140061: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:40:16 PM

[up] The two recent polls I looked at were NBC and WaPo. Note that it's a difference of 6% vs like 9% nationally, so it could very well be statistical noise.

edited 25th Sep '16 1:27:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#140062: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:41:58 PM

Trump is getting more support than Romney received in - what? Polls or votes?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#140064: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:51:28 PM

Hmm I see what you mean, checking through a few I see him hovering around 5%-8% while romney had a hard time breaking 5 in some states. Unless I see more of a trend developing I'll just call it a fluke for now.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#140065: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:55:38 PM

Yeah, that's only about white millennials (and still shows a small drop compared to older generations), which is basically what I said. You can't really say "millennials are just as racist as their parents" and then cite a study saying "white millennials are only slightly less racist than whites of older generations". Those are not equivalent statements.

is it just me or is Trump getting somewhat more black voters than Romney did?
He is, but it almost certainly has less to do with Trump, Romney, or even Clinton, than it does with the fact that Romney's opponent was Obama.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#140066: Sep 25th 2016 at 12:57:02 PM

Would there really be that many voters that are voting for Obama strictly because he's black?

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#140067: Sep 25th 2016 at 1:18:59 PM

Aren't most voters low information voters.

@Captain Capsase That's what I thought. He's allowed to ban foreigners from coming to the US. He's allowed to deport illegal immigrants. The question is, whether he should and I believe both proposals are unproductive and cold hearted. Looking at the Founding Fathers and most Presidents in the US, kost of them would agree with Trump on a number of issues, but that certainly doesn't mean they're right. They came from a more bigoted and hateful period.

edited 25th Sep '16 1:23:51 PM by 940131

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#140068: Sep 25th 2016 at 2:05:49 PM

[up][up] Most african americans vote D because the republican party is racist, and that's really hard to ignore if you are the target of said racism. So the fact that Obama had a D next to his name got him most of the black vote from the word go - the color of his skin just added a couple of percent on top of that.. and probably boosted turnout some. That last couple of percent isn't an advantage Clinton has. Source: "Osmosis from being on the interwebs" ;)

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edited 25th Sep '16 2:07:36 PM by Izeinsummer

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140069: Sep 25th 2016 at 2:09:06 PM

I thought Hillary was winning with black voters even against Obama until well into the primaries.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#140070: Sep 25th 2016 at 2:09:59 PM

That's true. They didn't come out and support Ben Carson or Herman Cain before that.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#140071: Sep 25th 2016 at 2:23:23 PM

Because, by and large, Black people are easily the most pragmatic voters in this country, overall, by an astonishing degree. They vote for the guys that will fuck them over the least. And at present time, that's the Democrats.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140072: Sep 25th 2016 at 6:05:45 PM

[up] And why would that be the case versus any other demographic of comparable wealth and education level?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#140073: Sep 25th 2016 at 6:09:47 PM

Because discrimination is a hell of a lot more than education and wealth.

There's a lot of laws on the books, cops on beat, and politicians who are just straight up out to hurt black people. And specifically black people. Educated black people. Poor black people. Rich black people. Uneducated black people. All of them.

edited 25th Sep '16 6:59:02 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#140074: Sep 25th 2016 at 6:50:24 PM

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

This was Nixon's aid, who had the balls to admit it! Now imagine how many politicians at the local level are trying to keep it on the down low?

edited 25th Sep '16 6:50:48 PM by TacticalFox88

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#140075: Sep 25th 2016 at 7:12:05 PM

[up][up], [up] I'm questioning why that would make this demographic more resistant to demagoguery. Like seriously, I could absolutely see someone like Trump coming from the left (in regards to their virtually nonexistent policy positions) and doing extremely well among blacks; in a certain sense he's right: democrats have failed them. The GOP doesn't have the answers and neither does Trump, but people of all stripes are very susceptible to suggestion and crowd mentality.

edited 25th Sep '16 7:12:57 PM by CaptainCapsase


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