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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Support for Trump is basically hate speech. Persuasion is outside the scope of this topic.
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We are not going to engage in the pretense that both sides have a point.
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:03:02 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"<IT Hat On> If it's being investigated as an account security issue, you take precautions till they're confirmed/denied.
If, however, it's a behavior call, I don't agree taking preemptive action before he's taken enough rope to sabotage himself and actually break the rules..
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:05:26 PM by Elle
Like I said, I had to deal with the guy saying xenophobic bullshit last week since he's been part of my RP for months, he's not a troll, he really believes these things.
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.I think there was a discussion about rottweiler where the term "ogre" was coined for someone who is completely sincere in their beliefs but their beliefs still fly in the face of site rules. If he had posted some xenophobic stuff previously that would fly against our don't be a dick rule. Still not in favor of banning someone before they've done something ban worthy (or are a troll)
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?![]()
OR c: Such a person is the kind of Trump supporter who tries to rationalize away Trump's negative aspects and/or is part of the half(ish) of people who have other legitimate insecurities. (It doesn't sound like he was from Tagg's point of view but let's not forget they exist.)
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:17:54 PM by Elle
@smoke: That's stepping dangerously close to thoughtpolicing. Dude seems to be an edgy teenager. Ban him from OTC till he grows up but from the e-stalking I've done he didn't seem to be disruptive in his RP stuff.
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:18:17 PM by thatguythere47
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?![]()
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Provided he refrains from expressing such views on this site in accordance with our rules, I personally think he should be free to stay. While I disagree strongly with the sort of people who go on about "the regressive left" and whatnot (though I am worried about the possibility of a burgeoning, authoritarian left), under no circumstances should people be banned for "thoughtcrime" if you want to prove those people wrong.
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:19:01 PM by CaptainCapsase
@smokeycut
I was a relatively decent case of C) in which I proposed that he'd be a good bulwark against the TPP, and while I was met with odd looks, I wasn't (quite) thrown under the bus. Granted, I doubted more and more that even that was worth the likelihood of Trump mucking up - like - just about everything else. But still, if I (mostly) wasn't treated like a Thing (John Carpenter) in disguise, then maybe some of the dissent isn't as scary as you think it is.
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:29:30 PM by nervmeister
that's some old school racism right thar. And super nerdy racism too. Ranking languages is the third most nerdy/racist combo you can do right next to making disparaging comments about muslims in klingon and creating a RL dnd setup where jews get poison weakness.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?I just went back and watched Trump's RNC acceptance speech again on a whim. For all the buffoonery and 7th grade-level vocabulary that usually characterizes Trump, every so often he's actually somewhat eloquent, and when that's the case, goddamn is he scary.
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:39:36 PM by CaptainCapsase
Changing gears, I wonder if this was a factor in getting Cruz to support Trump:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN11T1SV
Lee was included on a new list of 21 potential Supreme Court justices that Trump would consider for the high court if he is elected over Democrat Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 election.
"This list is definitive and I will choose only from it in picking future justices of the United States Supreme Court," Trump said in a statement.
The announcement came out on a day in which neither candidate had a public event and were preparing for Monday's first presidential debate.
The list Trump announced included 10 new names and 11 conservative jurists from a list the New York businessman had announced in May. Lee's brother, Thomas Lee, an associate justice of the Utah Supreme Court, was on the initial list and remains on Trump's expanded list.
Trump's listing of Mike Lee amounted to a gesture to U.S. Senator Cruz of Texas, a conservative who fought Trump fiercely as a rival for the Republican presidential nomination and who has refused to endorse Trump.
Trump's bombastic style and proposals breaking with some conservative orthodoxies such as support for free trade agreements have sparked unease among traditional conservative Republicans.
Mike Lee, in a statement, said he appreciated being considered.
"Right now I'm focused on my job in the Senate, where I'm in a good position to defend the Constitution by fighting against government overreach. Both lists that I've seen from the Trump campaign are fantastic.
"While my brother and I might disagree as to which list is better, they're both great," he quipped.
The death of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia on Feb. 13 left the court with a four-to-four tie between right-leaning and left-leaning justices.
Democratic President Barack Obama has nominated Merrick Garland, chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, but the Republican-controlled U.S. Senate has refused to consider confirming him.
Trump said his list was based on who would follow constitutional principles on the high court. The possibility of Republicans ceding control of the court to the Democrats has been one of his main rallying cries at campaign events.
Others on Trump's list include Keith Blackwell, a justice on the Supreme Court of Georgia; Charles Canady, a Florida Supreme Court justice; Neil Gorsuch, a judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, and Edward Mansfield, an Iowa Supreme Court justice.
Other names included Federico Moreno, a judge of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida; Margaret Ryan, a judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces; Amul Thapar, a judge of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky; Timothy Tymkovich, chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit; and Robert Young, chief justice of the Supreme Court of Michigan.
(Reporting by Steve Holland; Editing by Jonathan Oatis)
edited 23rd Sep '16 3:43:32 PM by sgamer82

edited 23rd Sep '16 3:03:25 PM by CaptainCapsase