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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#139852: Sep 23rd 2016 at 11:55:46 AM

From the Cruz endorsement article:

Asked about a possible endorsement, Jason Johnson, Cruz’s chief strategist on the campaign, responded with a photo of himself, with his hand over his face.
I gotta admit that was Actually Pretty Funny

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#139853: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:39:19 PM

@fighteer: And what's wrong with misanthropy, eh? This year is the best advertisement for misanthropy since WW 2.

@infoubbles: I'm a little conflicted on whether or not facts are all that important to the average person. There are perfectly normal people who doubt climate change despite the mountains of evidence that it is an extinction level problem.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139854: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:42:45 PM

@Fighteer: My position is simply that it is premature to conclude why a particular demographic is behaving in a certain way except when conclusive data to that effect is available. It's intellectually lazy. It's perfectly fine to hypothesize about these things, so long as you remain open to being proven wrong.

edited 23rd Sep '16 12:44:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#139855: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:45:48 PM

So it's official, Cruz endorsed Trump.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139856: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:48:26 PM

[up][up] If I have given the impression that my statements in that regard are anything other than broad-strokes and/or hypotheses, then I apologize. All Trump voters are not evil and all Clinton voters are not saints. This shouldn't have to be explicitly stipulated when having discussions about general trends. However, it is possible to draw conclusions from those trends with a fair degree of certainty, and I'm not making this stuff up from whole cloth; I provide citations where appropriate.

If one's response to such discussions is to jump in with, "Well, I support X and I'm not a Y," then I thinketh thou dost protest too much.

edited 23rd Sep '16 12:56:17 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#139857: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:54:23 PM

Did Cruz actually endorse Trump or just say he would vote for him? It may be mostly semantic but it's not entirely the same thing.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#139858: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:55:47 PM

Problem is that the children have an equal lack of filtering in how they act on that disinformation. For example, a child who hears racist messages is likely to act with hostility towards peers of the target race. This is not a positive thing, even if it helps expose the messages for what they are. I should also point out, particularly to you, nervmeister, that self-enlightenment is not a wholly laudable practice if it leads one towards nihilism and/or misanthropy.
If done "right", the disillusioned one in question should be more at peace with him/herself and his/her feelings, leading to greater faith in oneself and therefore he/she becomes less scared to cast off old ways of thinking. "Numbing" oneself into a state of nihilism is similar, but it's rooted more in apathy than ambition/striving.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139859: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:57:16 PM

If it presents the outward appearance of being callous and/or misanthropic, it matters little to the audience whether you're enlightened or just numb.

Edit: Also, off to the philosophy topic with ye, foul derail!

edited 23rd Sep '16 12:59:20 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139860: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:00:01 PM

This election is unlike any other in our nation’s history. Like many other voters, I have struggled to determine the right course of action in this general election.

In Cleveland, I urged voters, “please, don’t stay home in November. Stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket whom you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.”

After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

I’ve made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.

Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable — that’s why I have always been #Never Hillary.

Six key policy differences inform my decision. First, and most important, the Supreme Court. For anyone concerned about the Bill of Rights — free speech, religious liberty, the Second Amendment — the Court hangs in the balance. I have spent my professional career fighting before the Court to defend the Constitution. We are only one justice away from losing our most basic rights, and the next president will appoint as many as four new justices. We know, without a doubt, that every Clinton appointee would be a left-wing ideologue. Trump, in contrast, has promised to appoint justices “in the mold of Scalia.”

For some time, I have been seeking greater specificity on this issue, and today the Trump campaign provided that, releasing a very strong list of potential Supreme Court nominees — including Sen. Mike Lee, who would make an extraordinary justice — and making an explicit commitment to nominate only from that list. This commitment matters, and it provides a serious reason for voters to choose to support Trump.

Second, Obamacare. The failed healthcare law is hurting millions of Americans. If Republicans hold Congress, leadership has committed to passing legislation repealing Obamacare. Clinton, we know beyond a shadow of doubt, would veto that legislation. Trump has said he would sign it.

Third, energy. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s war on coal and relentless efforts to crush the oil and gas industry. Trump has said he will reduce regulations and allow the blossoming American energy renaissance to create millions of new high-paying jobs.

Fourth, immigration. Clinton would continue and even expand President Obama’s lawless executive amnesty. Trump has promised that he would revoke those illegal executive orders.

Fifth, national security. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s willful blindness to radical Islamic terrorism. She would continue importing Middle Eastern refugees whom the FBI cannot vet to make sure they are not terrorists. Trump has promised to stop the deluge of unvetted refugees.

Sixth, Internet freedom. Clinton supports Obama’s plan to hand over control of the Internet to an international community of stakeholders, including Russia, China, and Iran. Just this week, Trump came out strongly against that plan, and in support of free speech online.

These are six vital issues where the candidates’ positions present a clear choice for the American people.

If Clinton wins, we know — with 100% certainty — that she would deliver on her left-wing promises, with devastating results for our country.

My conscience tells me I must do whatever I can to stop that.

We also have seen, over the past few weeks and months, a Trump campaign focusing more and more on freedom — including emphasizing school choice and the power of economic growth to lift African-Americans and Hispanics to prosperity.

Finally, after eight years of a lawless Obama administration, targeting and persecuting those disfavored by the administration, fidelity to the rule of law has never been more important.

The Supreme Court will be critical in preserving the rule of law. And, if the next administration fails to honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then I hope that Republicans and Democrats will stand united in protecting our fundamental liberties.

Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans. And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way.

A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.

This has to be the most delusional endorsement I've ever read.

Jesus Christ.

New Survey coming this weekend!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#139861: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:00:22 PM

[up][up]Well the audience can think/feel what it wants. And actually, if most individuals reflect their own self-love/loathing onto others, then the exact opposite of misanthropy might occur.

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:04:02 PM by nervmeister

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139862: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:01:34 PM

Making my point exactly. Why do I feel like I'm playing the opposite end of conversations people have had with me about this precise issue? Also, derail.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139864: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:10:42 PM

[up] Good pollsters for Clinton continue to be good. Good pollsters for Trump continue to be good. The current Clinton rebound in polling aggregates appears to be due to the timing of poll releases, at least thus far; net trend is fairly stagnant.

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:11:42 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#139865: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:12:55 PM

Ugh, Cruz is turning this into a religious battle yet again. The bible goes against every single one of Trump's policies, but nobody seems to give a shit.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#139866: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:13:06 PM

@Fighteer: I believe it has already happened, unless you, as a Clinton supporter, wish to argue that Trump possibly becoming President is going to be okay. In the information bubble of the Trump supporters, they see Clinton as many here see Trump. To them, Clinton is the greater evil that must be defeated even if it means supporting Trump because, among other things, the control of the Supreme Court is on the line for them as well. In addition, how could they not see Clinton as that when the news within their information bubble have been slamming the Clintons down since Bill was Governor of Arkansas? That's Propaganda 101.

In fact, here is an article from NPR that says that the biggest reason people are voting for either Clinton or Trump is that they are not the other one. There is no denying that this particular election is extremely divisive and that the electorate is very divided this round. I say this as someone who has decided to support Clinton since the DNC.

Wizard Needs Food Badly
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139867: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:15:13 PM

[up][up] It's not against the gospel of Reagan though.tongue

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139868: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:15:43 PM

[up][up]Nobody is contesting that the election is divided. What we are contesting is the idea that, because people feel they are entitled to their own information bubbles, we need to act as if that's the natural order of things and frame our rhetoric accordingly.

What I am saying is that disliking Clinton because of her trustworthiness or her insider status or her emails or her health is not a fact-based position. It is all internalized propaganda. Ergo, it is not rational. It's the Fox News disinformation racket succeeding beyond its wildest dreams. Believe it and Roger Ailes is proven right. Don't prove Roger Ailes right.

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:17:48 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#139869: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:38:39 PM

What would Trump realistically do if Hillary plans to fact-check him in the debates when facts don't seem to work against his fervent supporters?

Hillary used FACTS! It's not very effective...

Maybe she should focus on the undecided voters the most.

Do not obey in advance.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#139870: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:38:45 PM

[up][up] How would you suggest the issue with information bubbles be solved then? I don't see how the division in the nation will be fixed without either convincing those people to leave that bubble and finally acknowledge facts or minimizing their voices enough that they lack any sort of power to push their stupid ideas. Right now, they control one of the two major political parties in America and decided Donald Trump was the best choice for president.

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:39:14 PM by GameGuruGG

Wizard Needs Food Badly
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#139871: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:44:27 PM

[up][up]That's what she's doing, giving up on Trump's base and going for undecideds/making sure that Democrats go out and vote.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139872: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:45:48 PM

[up][up] Crush them at the polls and then use political power to minimize their influence. Make it clear that what they want is not in the interests of democracy or good governance and offer them the chance to rejoin the fact-based community.

... is what I would suggest were there not ample evidence that the left is engaged in similar shenanigans, particularly in the #NeverHillary crowd. Frankly, I expect that crap of Fox News brainwashing victims. I find it particularly galling when it comes from our side.

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:46:31 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#139873: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:59:59 PM

Crush them at the polls and then use political power to minimize their influence. Make it clear that what they want is not in the interests of democracy or good governance and offer them the chance to rejoin the fact-based community. ... is what I would suggest were there not ample evidence that the left is engaged in similar shenanigans, particularly in the #Never Hillary crowd. Frankly, I expect that crap of Fox News brainwashing victims. I find it particularly galling when it comes from our side.
Groupthink ironically is indiscriminate.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#139874: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:00:18 PM

Ad with some of the things Trump said about women.

Inter arma enim silent leges
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#139875: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:08:26 PM

I remember when we joked that Hillary could just do ads that are just repeating what trump said to sad music. We are prophets.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

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