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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#139776: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:48:01 AM

In what ways?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#139777: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:56:00 AM

If your interpretation of Security Council Resolution 1973 differs from the rest of the world, the onus is on you to prove it.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#139778: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:35:38 AM

[up]x5 @940131 That's my interpretation of Krieger's response to my asking what he meant. Going by the post after it, I was close.

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:36:29 AM by sgamer82

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#139779: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:34:35 AM

For reference: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#139780: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:40:41 AM

@Krieger The rest of the world or the US and it's allies. The aren't the same thing.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#139781: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:48:32 AM

I'm not gonna read through 10+ pages but we're now on whether US force is justified in Syria, I think?

To go very realpolitk for moment: The US got their first and they have a perfectly just (as in they can justify it to their citizens and the UN) cause to continue their bombing campaign. Everything else is just so much noise.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#139782: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:21:51 AM

[up] They can justify it to their citizens maybe (polls show that Americans are war weary), but to the international community their intervention is illegitimate.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#139783: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:36:00 AM

So are you going to explain how the task force overstepped the mandate?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#139784: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:08:39 AM

So... How does the victory prospects look for Clinton, now that the first debate's date is fast approaching? I don't know which media sources to trust, with all the rampant bias and other issues that plague the news media these days for one reason or the other.

Speaking of which, I thought Trump had declared he has no intention of entering any debate with Clinton.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139785: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:21:22 AM

60:40 in favor of Clinton or so from 538, 70:30 from betting market aggregates.

As far as Trump refusing to debate, this would hardly be first time he's completely walked back on a statement while pretending he was always "on the right side."

To be honest, I imagine he was only threatening to walk as a negotiating tactic. He clearly wants the moderation to be biased in his favor, and he's done an excellent job thus far of cowing the media into submission using this tactic.

edited 23rd Sep '16 4:59:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#139786: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:03:57 AM

Amazing how all of this started because 90210 thought Trump and Hillary were equally bad.

Such bs that the Democrats are always held to a higher standard. At worst, she's just a typical garden variety politician.

I mean, notice how the people who think GOP = Dems = Bad, always seem to give more passes whenever a Republican does/says something horrible.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#139787: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:18:00 AM

@ 940131:

@Green Mantle What's that supposed to prove?

#139759 was in relation to this comment of yours:

That's a silly argument. When did Syria, Libya and Iraq attack the United States or their allies?

It supposed to prove that Libya and Iraq did attack allies of the US. Mind you, Iraq's always been...troublesome since it was created after World War I.

edited 23rd Sep '16 5:18:38 AM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#139788: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:33:44 AM

That's because it's essentially a Frankenstein state created to serve Britain's oil interests

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#139789: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:43:26 AM

That Omarosa quote should be terrifying to anybody, Trump supporter or not.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139790: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:01:31 AM

It's not that far removed from Trump's "I alone can fix (America)!" Boast during the RNC.

edited 23rd Sep '16 6:04:17 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#139791: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:50:20 AM

Krugman on the debates and fact checking.

He says that it is the responsibility of the media to cover not the "feels" of the debates, but the candidates' truthfulness. That means that if Donald Trump lies five times more than Hillary Clinton, that should be the story. To save time, they could cover only the lies that are independently graded as "False" or "Pants on Fire" by Politifact.

PolitiFact has examined 258 Trump statements and 255 Clinton statements and classified them on a scale ranging from “True” to “Pants on Fire.” One might quibble with some of the judgments, but they’re overwhelmingly in the ballpark. And they show two candidates living in different moral universes when it comes to truth-telling. Mr. Trump had 48 Pants on Fire ratings, Mrs. Clinton just six; the G.O.P. nominee had 89 False ratings, the Democrat 27.

Facts, folks. They exist. Anyone who claims Clinton and Trump lie equally is simply wrong.

edited 23rd Sep '16 6:51:06 AM by Fighteer

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#139792: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:52:19 AM

[up][up] I disagree; it's worse. The Trump quote you mentioned is typical inflated ego boasting, the Omarosa quote is authoritarian.

"Bow to me. You weak, pathetic fools! I've come for your souls!"

edited 23rd Sep '16 6:53:26 AM by speedyboris

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#139793: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:58:08 AM

I'm not sure why I'm still bothering to answer numbers but:

1; The question about Cuba is nonsensical and irrelevant. It would depend on the current diplomatic relations with Russia, the current diplomatic relations with Cuba, the degree to which Cuba was acting as a representative government to its people and where exactly those soldiers and missiles were being pointed. My answer would change depending on the state of any of those factors. It is hypothetical anyway because Russia can not currently project power to Cuba, Cuba's government is losening its dicitorial hold on its people and Cuban-American relationships are improving. That said, the Bay of Pigs invasion was a terrible idea back in the day, American foreign policy is not the same today as it was in the 60s.

2: The Ukranians who were in favor of ties with Russia were a small minority. Oh, there was a referendum that showed a majority were in favor...after Russian troops were already marchng into the region. There's also evidence that many pro-russian demonstrators were being paid by Russia.

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#139794: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:19:38 AM

Yeah, it's worse. The Convention quote was essentially, "I am the greatest thing to happen to this country ever and you should vote for me because of it!" while the Omarosa quote is basically, "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!"

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139795: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:19:54 AM

@Fughteer Facts exist, but I'm not sure they really matter in our current situation. Trust of the news media is at or near all time lows based on opinion polling. Beyond that there is an additional layer of distrust in our political institutions; a large chunk of the electorate no longer has faith in "the system", myself inclured to a significant degree.

I will support Clinton for now, because the alternative will likely see the rising popular ire directed in the most destructive way possible. But sooner or later, populism is going to overcome the current establishment, even if there isn't a major shuffling of politicial offices. Whether we see these grassroots sentiments directed in a constructive direction or not is ultimately going to fall upon the second Clinton administration, God willing.

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:20:58 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#139796: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:25:13 AM

They matter because not everyone is divided up into camps. That the whole country has already decided who to vote for and every single voter is a hardline Trump or Clinton supporter is a myth. If that were true, the polls wouldn't move an inch.

Hard as it is to believe, there are moderates in this election. They're the people who keep touting, "They're equally bad!" and who pick their side based on whichever seems less bad based on whatever events just happened.

Trump insulted a Gold Star family! Shift to the left.

Clinton's health controversy might not be bunk after all! Shift to the right.

If the news would stop pretending everything Trump says is unquestionable holy gospel, we might see more of them shifting left.

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:25:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139797: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:26:38 AM

[up] They matter insofar as people trust news media.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#139798: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:27:50 AM

Everyone trusts news media. They just disagree on which news media to trust.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139799: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:31:18 AM

[up] Statistically, most people don't know who to believe anymore; Gallup has America's trust in the mass media as of September 16th down to 32%; 30% among independents, 14% among Republicans, and 51% among democrats.

Source

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:32:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#139800: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:32:55 AM

I wonder if that percentage is why people make claims about liberal media.


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