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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#139528: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:35:03 PM

I don't know exactly where the line is for something legally actionable but he's dancing right near it.

(Edit: Brandenberg v. Ohio. It has to be speech "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" to lose First Amendment protection.)

edited 21st Sep '16 5:38:28 PM by Elle

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139529: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:35:42 PM

[up][up]He's a Presidential candidate, dangerous precedent to go after him now. If/When he loses, all that illegal shit? FBI is gonna be on his ass, like white on rice. Comey is attracted to corruption cases like a moth to the flame. He literally can't help himself if he smells blood. It's going to be glorious.

edited 21st Sep '16 5:35:55 PM by TacticalFox88

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#139530: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:38:37 PM

[Thomas Hobbes Intensifies]

I just want you to know that you are appreciated and that honestly made me laugh out loud.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#139531: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:46:06 PM

Nervmeister, I can't tell if you're joking or genuinely overestimating the degree to which any modern society is interested in persecuting the lone eccentric person who likes to sing about cats and shit. And also you seem to believe that it's either individualism or collectivism, and never can the two be balanced.

Also I call utter bullshit on any nation building process that requires absolute secrecy, so I'm pretty sure your suggestion either isn't serious or is just bullshit.

@Ambar: he's not directly threatening her. The laws have a lot of elasticity regarding what people are allowed to say before getting arrested.

edited 21st Sep '16 5:47:27 PM by AceofSpades

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#139532: Sep 21st 2016 at 6:05:14 PM

And also you seem to believe that it's either individualism or collectivism, and never can the two be balanced.
Oh I know it's a matter of degrees between the two extremes. Still, it's better for a person if he/she mentally pushes as close to the individualistic end of the spectrum as he/she can.

Also I call utter bullshit on any nation building process that requires absolute secrecy, so I'm pretty sure your suggestion either isn't serious or is just bullshit.
No, no, no. It's not the rebuilding part that requires secrecy. It's eliminating terrorist cells that requires it.

Nervmeister, I can't tell if you're joking or genuinely overestimating the degree to which any modern society is interested in persecuting the lone eccentric person who likes to sing about cats and shit.
It doesn't usually go as far as outright persecution. It can take the form of coaxing the person to just act "normal" or a mild reward/deprivation system. Things one tends to overlook.

edited 21st Sep '16 6:11:41 PM by nervmeister

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#139533: Sep 21st 2016 at 6:34:07 PM

I still think you're overestimating that kind of thing. I mean, I felt that pressure when I was a kid, but I'm not a kid anymore. And when it comes to more serious things, such as being openly gay, well, guess what's happened? Communities have formed to combat that sort of thing. Individuals are more resilient about being themselves than you think. And they frequently do that by being part of a community. Finding the like minded.

Actually that doesn't sound individualistic at all, and now I"m doubting the extent to which anyone ever is. But in any case, some guy singing on youtube isn't going to be pressured by society not to. By and large, our current society isn't geared to find some guy doing something that innocuous as something to be pressured into conformity. I'm not even sure why you used that as an example when we have plenty of actual examples of people pressured into conformity. Unless, again, you were joking, in which case the joke and your point both fell extremely flat and are why I'm not taking you seriously right now.

Also. You could have just said "destroy terrorist cells" instead of making that awkward allusion to "secrecy". I'm not sure how we were supposed to understand that's what you were talking about, going by that post.

edited 21st Sep '16 6:37:05 PM by AceofSpades

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#139534: Sep 21st 2016 at 6:53:57 PM

Actually that doesn't sound individualistic at all, and now I"m doubting the extent to which anyone ever is. But in any case, some guy singing on youtube isn't going to be pressured by society not to. By and large, our current society isn't geared to find some guy doing something that innocuous as something to be pressured into conformity. I'm not even sure why you used that as an example when we have plenty of actual examples of people pressured into conformity. Unless, again, you were joking, in which case the joke and your point both fell extremely flat and are why I'm not taking you seriously right now.
It's not so much the singing to cats that has the potential to turn heads. It's what he's singing about ("physics aware nature") that could threaten the general public's comfortable little assumptions about the way things are.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#139535: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:27:41 PM

The Crooked Hillary meme is driving me up the fucking wall

It's been repeated so many times that I see people all over the Internet and a few in real life just kind of assume that she's some kind of Nixonesque criminal mastermind when she's pretty much just another politician, with all the pros and cons that go along with that.

Maybe that's why people have such a strong dislike for her, even among those who aren't Trump voters?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139536: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:37:17 PM

Even IF all the allegations about Hillary were true (and by and large, they aren't at all) she'd Still STILL be a better option than Trump. Period.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#139537: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:55:55 PM

Even before they condensed it into a snappy soundbite, similar accusations have been floating about for decades now. Of course, it only serves to highlight the hypocrisy (or idiocy, pick the one that applies best, if not both) of those who claim to be above the influence of the "mainstream media lies".

Trump just admitted that the birther backtracking was so he could "get on with" his campaign. The article has a truly fantastic piece of word salad from the man himself regarding the Trump Foundation.

The Trump Foundation is facing even more scrutiny as well. Probably not the October Surprise we're waiting for, though, since short of his getting arrested his base is not exactly renowned for caring about following laws... unless you're a minority, that is.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:56:09 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#139538: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:01:05 PM

Guys, guys guys! I found Trumps leitmotif for this election!

edited 21st Sep '16 8:02:22 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139539: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:06:55 PM

Not nearly fascist enough for Trump.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#139541: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:12:27 PM

If you told him he should enter to a song called "Entry of the Gladiators," I'd bet he would unwittingly agree enthusiastically.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#139542: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:18:37 PM

Nervmeister: I.... have no idea what to say to that, since he wasn't actually singing anything that felt challenging at all. And probably wasn't even trying to challenge anyone in that manner. Again, I don't know why you're focusing on one guy, who's not at all that challenging to the status quo that I can see. There are better examples for your point, like the leaders of the Civil Rights movement. And, well, those guys turned out to be hard to shut up. Conformity is not so strong as you thing, evidently.

edited 21st Sep '16 8:19:09 PM by AceofSpades

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#139543: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:20:59 PM

[up] He'd give a noncommittal double answer. Over the past few months, Trump has taken political doublespeak to a whole new level.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#139544: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:22:43 PM

[up][up]I just picked him as a random example to use in a "what if" scenario.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139545: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:45:53 PM

In Russia, establishment parties swept parliament largely because the media ignores or marginalizes opposition parties. Sound familiar?

Take a wild guess at who wrote this trash.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#139546: Sep 21st 2016 at 9:29:51 PM

Jill Stein sure wants to appeal to her being the underdog.

Inter arma enim silent leges
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139547: Sep 21st 2016 at 9:34:14 PM

[up]I think she'd only qualify as an underdog if there was even the slimmest chance of her making it. Which there isn't. I'm not really sure where that leaves her though. I'm sure she could make a tasty hotdog if given the chance...

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#139548: Sep 22nd 2016 at 1:02:19 AM

If I got it right (mainly from John Oliver), the problem with Superdelegates is that, the day they actually do what they're here for (tipping the scale to override a close popular vote), the resulting shitstorm will dwarf the worst of what happened with Sanders.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139549: Sep 22nd 2016 at 3:43:36 AM

The day they NEED to override a popular vote means that the Dem base went off the rails crazy and nominated someone who was a dumpster fire.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#139550: Sep 22nd 2016 at 4:02:25 AM

Poll: 78 Percent of Latinos Have Negative View of Donald Trump

I find it pretty shocking...that there are over 20% of Latinos who DON'T have a negative view on Trump.

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