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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#139176: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:31:38 PM

[up]x2 You're saying that every Trump supporter is a racist? When people are suffering, they look to demagogues. It happened in Italy in World War 1 and Germany during the Great Depression. I think it's cheap to just call them all racists.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:34:17 PM by 940131

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#139177: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:31:42 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]He was also modded in as the leader of the USA (if it turns fascist) in Hearts Of Iron IV.

[up][up][up][up]Look up some of Stein's positions/crazy statements. Particular her views/pandering on vaccines and Wi-Fi. Plus, her proposed military procurement cuts would get the US sued by the industry (and probably the West), and would create high unemployment and probably a depression. And she's as bad as Trump when it comes to letting China and Russia run rampant.

[up]Either racist, or tolerant of racist rhetoric. And at this point, the difference is meaningless.

Also, Clinton has come out against the TPP in its current form. And considering how much he lies, I'm not sure why you take Trump at his word.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:41:48 PM by Rationalinsanity

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#139178: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:32:00 PM

@Silasaw: That's really screwed up.

But didn't they ultimately lose on gay marriage, at least? They're fighting on the losing side of history.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:35:50 PM by BearyScary

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#139179: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:35:18 PM

Supreme Court is a very powerful body, they could easily roll back gay rights (at least in red states). And you've got trans issues as the new cultural wedge issue of choice, along with abortion as the old stalwart.

The GOP is still out to gut human rights, best not to test the US's questionable safeguards on that front.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#139180: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:37:32 PM

[up][up][up][up] No, but most of them obviously are.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:37:49 PM by Bat178

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#139181: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:38:20 PM

[up]x2 Because this is one thing he's consistently attacked. There are interview going back to the 80s of him attacking trade deals and world policing. If he was in office would he flip on free trade deals? Maybe. He does make his ties in China. But what I think isn't important. I'm talking about his supporters. Working class people who feel like the government isn't looking out for them. Hillary flipped on the TPP because she was running against Bernie. Then she pivoted to the right to pull in Republicans that didn't want to vote for Trump with talk of American exceptionalism and world policing. Politically it's the right thing to do, but it's not believable.

Trump not being agressive with Russia is a point in his favor. Not against it. Hillary said she wanted a no fly zone over Syria. Rand Paul had it right when he said that every candidate should be asked that question. It's so dangerous. Are they going to shoot down Russian planes? What are America's interests in Syria? Why do they think expanding Nato to Russia's border is a good idea?

edited 19th Sep '16 7:41:48 PM by 940131

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#139182: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:38:22 PM

Also, Hillary no longer endorses the TPP. (whoops, ninja'd) At least some of that is pressure from Sanders and his base but she's currently on record as opposing it since the convention. It's a bit of an awkward situation for the Dems because the TPP is one of Obama's pet projects.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:39:58 PM by Elle

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#139183: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:41:22 PM

Yeah, I am going to say every single Trump supporter is a racist. I don't give a fuck about how poor and desperate they are. I'm poor and desperate. I'm probably going to get evicted next month and I'm thousands of dollars short on bills.

Anyone who so much as tolerates Trump's rhetoric is a racist.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#139184: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:43:10 PM

I'm going to say talking in absolute's like that does absolutely no good. I should go without saying why saying "Literally every single example in a group of millions is X" is a problem.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#139185: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:44:09 PM

[up] Then you're ignoring the problem. Hillary's not going to fix the problem and God knows what Trump would do. It's a scary thought.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:45:15 PM by 940131

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#139186: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:44:11 PM

[up][up]Well they are. There's just no two ways about that. Tolerance of Trump is racism.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:44:28 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#139187: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:45:05 PM

Most people are not that simple, no matter what we might like to thing. Talking in absolutes like you only serves to make you feel morally superior.

Which you really shouldn't need to do, since by and large your positions already occupy the high ground.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:47:57 PM by LSBK

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#139188: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:46:54 PM

Garcon I think you're overestimating how much of this rhetoric the average person hears. The really inflammatory stuff isn't given nearly as much play outside of the internet. Older people that still use the major news networks probably don't hear most of this. That's especially true if they aren't the type to watch the news every single night.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#139189: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:47:11 PM

Why is the GOP out to gut human rights?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#139190: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:48:57 PM

Take a guess

Oh really when?
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139191: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:50:10 PM

Because the GOP like to pretend they're all about FREEDOMZ!!!1 but in reality most of them are authoritarian assholes, who would JUMP at the opportunity to shove their agenda down the throats of the American people, especially if it disproportionately affects minorities.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#139192: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:50:41 PM

[up][up][up]Depends on the faction within them that you're talking about. Some just want to stick it to those dirty minorities. Others think they're on a holy mission from God and they have to oppose sinful practices. Then you have others that just don't care enough to oppose these shitty ideas.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:50:55 PM by Kostya

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#139193: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:52:51 PM

[up]x4 A large part of their base are either Fundamentalist/nutjob Christians/"traditional values" people and/or white southern Dixiecrats who resented being dragged kicking and screaming into the civil rights era. Plus a few plutocrats.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:54:27 PM by Elle

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#139194: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:54:49 PM

Trump not antagonizing Russia isn't a plus, it is a hard F- - - - and some more.

He pretty much implied he'd let Putin do as he please, specially with things like the Crimean take over and treating the Baltic as Russia's private backyard, unless other NATO members paid the US what is essentially extortion and protection money.

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#139195: Sep 19th 2016 at 7:58:04 PM

if I was American I'd vote for Jill Stein since her views represent my views much more than Hillary and Trumps.

Can I ask why? I mean I certainly hope you're not drawn to her anti-vaccination pro-Brexit stance, because that's kinda crazy ill informed nutary on her part.

The same thing happened to the Brexit supporters. I don't think the US and the UK are racist countries.

As someone who should Brexit go though will be forced to leave my home and move a huge distance just to try and remain part of the nation I identify with, I'm gonna go ahead and say that yes a lot of Brexit was about the UK (well 52% of it) being racist assholes. We had a politican assassinated and have had a giant wave of hate crime and racial motivated murder since the vote.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:59:37 PM by Silasw

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#139196: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:01:25 PM

Jill Stein is either spineless, or a nutjob. Probably both.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#139197: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:03:36 PM

I honestly fail to see how she's remotely qualified for the job. If the stuff about Brexit is anything to go by, then she has no real idea how international politics work.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#139198: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:06:11 PM

She doesn't understand international politics, she doesn't understand economics, she doesn't understand basic biology.

She's not good enough to run a town, let alone the country.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#139199: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:06:56 PM

I think I remember Fighteer saying this, but if I'm wrong say something, but the Democrats have always been the party of business interests, while the Republicans have always been the party of individualism even since their split back in the mid-1800s.

Remember, Republicans supported the formation of Unions while the Democrats didn't because it would take away from the power of the Robber Barons.

But ultimately, even pure ideals such as individualism can be corrupted, just as many other human ideals can.

The Republican ideal of individualism began to become corrupt during the 1920s thanks to the first Red Scare, and became more and more corrupt as time went on, with the current corruption being from the Dixicrat's disillusionment of the Democrat party thanks to the New Deal back in the 30s and the Human Rights Act in the 60s and Nixon's courting of the them during his Presidential election,and even further corrupted by Reagan's comments about "welfare queens" and such.

It was only up until just a few years ago when open bigotry became a thing, after the Tea Party swept the nation.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#139200: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:07:24 PM

People complain about how Hillary flip flops and just says things to pander to voters but it seems like Stein is just as bad if not worse. Even ignoring the Brexit stuff there's the fact that she refuses to call out the anti-vaxxer nutjobs in her base.


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