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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#139001: Sep 17th 2016 at 9:49:36 PM

No, what'd he say?

Oh really when?
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#139002: Sep 17th 2016 at 9:51:10 PM

On the contrary, i think Trumpism will gain in popularity because the supporters of other brands of Republicanism (the evangelicals, the war-hawks, and the plutocrats) are the more elderly group on the whole. Trumpism gets young Republicans (who aren't part of the jet-set Young Republican group, the young plutocrats) going on issues that matter to them while avoiding the issues where the GOP and the youth don't get along, such as the whole basket of Moral Guardians priorities. Not that Trump is genuinely acceptable on those issues, he just doesn't emphasize them as a wedge the way other Republicans do.

Although at the same time Trumpism taps into the kind of rage that is felt mostly by the elderly, so maybe what i just wrote was a bunch of crap.

[up] Edit: Obama said it would be a personal insult to him if the black community didn't turn out to vote this time around.

edited 17th Sep '16 9:51:42 PM by Ogodei

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#139003: Sep 17th 2016 at 9:56:12 PM

At this point if Trump lose, I dont think trumpism could do much, they are already brand as extremist part that many dosent want to asocite, they have by all efect posion themselves

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#139005: Sep 17th 2016 at 10:25:54 PM

I agree that the Alt-Right does appeal more to young people than other Republican groups do... That being said, the vast majority of young people in the United States, like a huge majority, are attracted towards Sanders' leftist ideas, but settles for Clinton if they have to choose between the two current major party candidates. The disagreement young people have with older Democrats is more a matter of degree and things of personal interest to them. The Alt-Right represents a very small vocal minority of young people.

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#139006: Sep 18th 2016 at 1:32:46 AM

RE Obama's speech: Man, the cheering in this video. Also, I need to listen to more presidential speeches by Obama; the guy sounds like a natural orator.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#139007: Sep 18th 2016 at 3:42:35 AM

[up][up]For the time being. The alt-right's obsession with "false rape accusations" and "censorship" is surprisingly easily found in a lot of social media memes. All bets are off if they manage to normalise the other shit even more.

Robert Gates has referred to Trump as "beyond repair" when it comes to national security. Given that the git and his groupies tried pinning the Chelsea explosion on refugees before the FDNY showed up, "beyond repair" seems like an understatement to me.

Also, um, Milo Yiannipoulous is apparently trying to start a PAC while calling it a charity. Except that the entire thing is apparently sufficiently suspicious looking that even that Trump subreddit he moderates is turning on him. (CW: r/SubredditDrama) Apparently they do have brief flickers of normal higher cognitive functions?

edited 18th Sep '16 3:43:18 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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#139008: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:31:34 AM

Not to mention, the official name of the nation is "The United States of America". Technically "Mexico" is "Los Estados Unídos de Mexico", but we just call it "Mexico". Same with the US and "America".

Don't forget "The People's Republic of China".

I just have the funny feeling that the Kaine/Pence debate is gonna surprise us in how NOT boring it's gonna be.

Somebody is gonna get wrecked.

I'm just worried it will be Kaine. I have NO doubts in Mike Pence's ability to turn into a raging bull at the drop of a hat, Trump-style. However, I'm not sure America's Stepdad is up to the task of handling that bull.

In this regard, I'd be more comfortable with Elizabeth Warren as running mate.

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#139009: Sep 18th 2016 at 7:26:49 AM

Man, the NYT is sure publishing a lot of editorials blaming the rise of Trump on Americans being dumb. Problem is, after hanging out here, I can't tell if the article is that far off base.

Are you smarter than an immigrant? Can you name, say, all three branches of government or a single Supreme Court justice? Most Americans, those born here, those about to make the most momentous decision in civic life this November, cannot. And most cannot pass the simple test aced by 90 percent of new citizens.

Well, then: Who controlled the Senate during the 2014 election, when control of the upper chamber was at stake? If you answered Dunno at the time, you were with a majority of Americans in the clueless category.

But surely now, when election news saturation is thicker than the humidity around Lady Liberty’s lip, we’ve become a bit more clue-full. I give you Texas. A recent survey of Donald Trump supporters there found that 40 percent of them believe that Acorn will steal the upcoming election.

Acorn? News flash: That community-organizing group has been out of existence for six years. Acorn is gone, disbanded, dead. It can no more steal an election than Donald Trump can pole vault over his Mexican wall.

We know that at least 30 million American adults cannot read. But the current presidential election may yet prove that an even bigger part of the citizenry is politically illiterate — and functional. Which is to say, they will vote despite being unable to accept basic facts needed to process this American life.

“There’s got to be a reckoning on all this,” said Charlie Sykes, the influential conservative radio host, in a soul-searching interview with Business Insider. “We’ve created this monster.”

Trump, who says he doesn’t read much at all, is both a product of the epidemic of ignorance and a main producer of it. He can litter the campaign trail with hundreds of easily debunked falsehoods because conservative media has spent more than two decades tearing down the idea of objective fact.

If Trump supporters knew that illegal immigration peaked in 2007, or that violent crime has been on a steady downward spiral nationwide for more than 20 years, they would scoff when Trump says Mexican rapists are surging across the border and crime is out of control.

If more than 16 percent of Americans could locate Ukraine on a map, it would have been a Really Big Deal when Trump said that Russia was not going to invade it — two years after they had, in fact, invaded it.

If basic civics was still taught, and required, for high school graduation, Trump could not claim that judges “sign bills.”

The dumbing down of this democracy has been gradual, and then — this year — all at once. The Princeton Review found that the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858 were engaged at roughly a high school senior level. A century later, the presidential debate of 1960 was a notch below, at a 10th grade level. By the year 2000, the two contenders were speaking like sixth graders. And in the upcoming debates — “Crooked Hillary” against “Don the Con” — we’ll be lucky to get beyond preschool potty talk.

How did this happen, when the populace was so less educated in the days when most families didn’t even have an indoor potty to talk about? You can look at one calculated loop of misinformation over the last two weeks to find some of the answer.

A big political lie often starts on the Drudge Report, home of Obama-as-Muslim stories. He jump-started a recent smear with pictures of Hillary Clinton losing her balance — proof that something was very wrong with her. Fox News then went big with it, using the Trump adviser and free-media enabler Sean Hannity as the village gossip. Then Rudy Giuliani, the internet diagnostician, urged people to Google “Hillary Clinton illness” for evidence of her malady. This forced Clinton to prove her stamina, in an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel, by opening a jar of pickles.

The only good thing to come out of this is that now, when you Google “Hillary Clinton illness” what pops up are scathing stories about a skeletal-faced rumormonger named Rudy Giuliani, and a terrific Stephen Colbert takedown of this awful man.

But what you don’t know really can hurt you. Last year was the hottest on record. And the July just passed was earth’s warmest month in the modern era. Still, Gallup found that 45 percent of Republicans don’t believe the temperature. We’re not talking about doubt over whether the latest spike was human-caused — they don’t accept the numbers, from all those lying meteorologists.

Of late, almost half of Floridians have done something to protect themselves from the Zika virus, heeding government warnings. But the other half cannot wish it away, as the anti-vaccine crowd on the far left does for serious and preventable illnesses.

I’m sorry that my once-surging Seattle Mariners dropped two out of three games to the Yankees this week. I just prefer not to believe it. And look — now my guys are in first place, no matter what the skewed “standings” show. In my own universe, surrounded by junk fact and junk conclusions, I feel better already.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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A procrastination in of itself
#139010: Sep 18th 2016 at 7:45:31 AM

The governor is saying that the New York bombs were terrorism but that there's no connection to international groups, this thus may be the work of domestic terrorists.

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#139011: Sep 18th 2016 at 7:50:20 AM

" they don’t accept the numbers"

Holy shit.

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Warder of the damned
#139012: Sep 18th 2016 at 7:57:44 AM

[up]

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#139013: Sep 18th 2016 at 8:50:29 AM

Yeah, that's the thing that scares me the most about the really ignorant part of the population (not just the American population, to be honest, Canada has these people too, my cousin and aunt are among them).

They ignore the actual thing that is happening and prefer to believe an incredibly wide-reaching and disturbing secret group is manipulating the population in a vast thousand year conspiracy...with no discernible purpose or end goal. Like, what possible benefit does tricking everyone into think climate change is a thing have?

It's a way to make yourself feel important ("I've figured out this huge secret!") while simultaneously absolving yourself of all guilt ("I didn't do this, the Illuminati/lizard people/Stanley Kubrick did it!"), and the potential long-term effects are horrifying if the beliefs get too widespread.

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#139015: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:08:21 AM

Dick Cheney: Religious Fanatic Edition?

I'm definitely taking up mid-week drinking again if Trump wins.sad

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#139016: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:19:29 AM

[up][up] If I was a friend of Pence I'd be very nervous about going hunting with him now.

edited 18th Sep '16 9:19:44 AM by Silasw

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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#139017: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:46:47 AM

That's just dumb on a multitude of levels. The GOP playbook for the most part these days includes "deny the Bush Administration ever happened." That's what helped bring down Jeb!, aside from him being utterly flaccid as a campaigner.

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#139018: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:03:19 AM

[up]

The GOP playbook for the most part these days includes "deny the Bush Administration ever happened."

From the outside it looks like "deny the Bush Administration[s] (ie both Bushes) ever happened."

Keep Rolling On
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#139019: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:05:20 AM

Which is a bit odd/sad, cause Bush 41 wasn't that bad all things considered.

edited 18th Sep '16 10:05:31 AM by Rationalinsanity

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#139021: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:10:43 AM

ISIS has claimed responsibility for a stabbing spree (8 wounded, attacker shot dead) in Minnesota.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/us/minnesota-mall-stabbing/index.html

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#139022: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:12:48 AM

Mike Pence says his role model for VP is Dick Cheney
Pence wants to shoot someone in the face too? ... This is less funny since Silas beat me to it. *shakes fist in impotent rage*
cause Bush 41 wasn't that bad all things considered.
He raised taxes, thus pushing the Berserk Button of the party leadership.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#139023: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:15:22 AM

Also, bringing up Bush 41 could remind people of Bush 43.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#139024: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:18:19 AM

So doesn't this basically confirm that Mike Pence took the job on the understanding that he'd be the one really in charge behind the scenes?

It sounds like Don wants to be Head of State and Pence wants to be Head of Government....

That's goddamn terrifying

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#139025: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:38:41 AM

Not even that, Trump apparently promised Pence control over foreign policy in addition to his governmental/economic powers. Trump literally just wants to be a figurehead, while everyone else puts his (or the GOP's) agenda into force.

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