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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
With Clinton, I think Trevor Noah put it pretty well
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"Now, putting your politics aside, this is a disturbing video to watch. Because Hillary doesn't look fine. It looks like she's just had brunch with Bill Cosby. And now, only because this video came out, the Clinton campaign had to admit that something really was going on... You see, this is the problem with the Clintons. It's not the thing that they do that gets them, it's the way they try and cover them up."
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"As Rachel Maddow said last week (paraphrased): People get sick. Politicians get sick. Some of our most famous Presidents have been sick in office and have still been successful. The desire to obsessively pore over health records is a relatively recent one and can become a distraction in and of itself.
She showed clips of past politicians falling ill as well as people fainting at public events. It is a thing that happens. Only because the media have publicized the Breitbart "Clinton health conspiracy" is this even an issue worthy of debate.
Stop letting them set your damn agenda. I have stopped watching Trevor Noah because of this, and wince every time Colbert does it.
edited 14th Sep '16 8:44:26 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
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He's considering driving trucks as an alternative. Granted that doesn't require you to pack your bags, but you're still gonna be on the road for a long time.
edited 14th Sep '16 8:57:00 AM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youInstead he tried to talk the suicidal man down and de-escalate the situation. Then backup arrived, and one of the approaching officers shot the suicidal man in the back of the head. The man's gun turned out to be empty. The police officer who refused to execute an American Citizen was fired.
Presumably, the logic behind it was that he disobeyed an order. Still, I side with the policeman. He should be receiving a medal for risking his own life to safe another. Suicidal people are desperate, and they need someone that talks to them.
It seems like his bosses have other priorities.
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It's less a violation of protocol and more (ostensibly) "You put fellow officers at risk by not neutralizing an apparent threat." Of course, that's overlooking the fact that he was in the process of neutralizing it when backup came in - it's like yelling at someone in the bomb squad for defusing a bomb rather than just doing the "contained detonation". Both are feasible courses of action, but one carries a higher inherent risk with a greater payoff if successful.
And Fighteer, the fact is that the last point Trevor Noah made was right on the mark - the problem with the Clinton campaign (and possibly the Clintons in general) is that they have a reputation of covering even the most innocuous things up. Even if it's for a sound reason, it makes shit hit the fan even harder when evidence to the contrary shows up. The show went so far as to (albeit jokingly) propose the best solution - play up the fact that she knew she had pneumonia but decided to attend the 9/11 memorial event regardless. Except for her most ardent detractors, it'd play up both her patriotism and her commitment to the American people, instead of trying to play off the illness and near-collapse as Nothing To See Here.
edited 14th Sep '16 9:34:50 AM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?""Fail to mention" does not equal "cover up". And her illness, all things considered, is not that serious. The problem, if anything, was her refusal to care for herself while campaigning, an issue that she's far from the first to suffer from.
edited 14th Sep '16 9:36:27 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Eh, I'd draw the line at mentioning it before it became problematic, but just coming out and saying "Sorry, I've been dealing with pneumonia since the start of the weekend, but I'm feeling much better now, thank you." rather than leaving out the first portion entirely would have made her seem more trustworthy.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
It might have been a better move, yes, but the only reason it could possibly make her seem "untrustworthy" is the existing narrative about that.
The presidency of the most powerful nation in the world is at stake. It would be naive to think that candidates won't risk lying. All candidates do.
Trump has secrets he is hiding too. He is just better at deflecting the attention than Hilary's team. One liner of his and he can get out of most situations. I'll give it to Trump that he is the best at theatrics.
I know the truth—darkness beats light. Visit my DA: I'll share my secrets stories with you.To be fair, you couldn't always do this, but it's been around since the last major site revamp, at least.
edited 14th Sep '16 10:06:55 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Just for luck, I'm going to start referring to Hillary as "President Clinton" from here
on out. It'll be a prayer every time I mention her name.
edited 14th Sep '16 10:10:02 AM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youAgain, pnuemonia actually killed one of our presidents. It is a serious illness especially for someone as old as Clinton is. After the stumble became national news, Clinton or one of her supporters should have just been upfront about it in exactly the way ironball suggested. While people didn't need to know before the stumble that Clinton had pnuemonia, once the stumble happened then it's something that needed to be addressed. In addition, it is actually hard to criticize the media for focusing on Clinton stumbling when Gerald Ford slipped on the stairs in front of Air Force One one time and became known for clumsiness because of that one incident.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyYeah, it killed a president in the 1800s who who got like no treatment and exasperated his own condition. She's likely getting the best treatment possible and they probably caught it early. The situations aren't at all the same.
And they have addressed it so I'm not really sure what the problem is. That she didn't go "sorry everybody, I might have a little pneumonia." the second it happened?
edited 14th Sep '16 10:21:55 AM by LSBK
And Gerald Ford fell down a lot!
... Is it too late to get Ford's ghost to run for the Republicans instead?

Pretty much everything else I could say about Snowden has already been said, so I'll avoid beating that dead horse.
@ Krieger — if you're going to quote the entirety of an article that long, 1) a tldr would be appreciated, and 2) put it in a folder so people don't have to scroll down a dozen screen-lengths to get past it.
It's still bad that they're able to use "didn't kill someone who was trying to commit suicide by cop and was no actual danger to anyone" as an excuse, though.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.