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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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...I wasn't aware of it. No joke. Yes, I knew that many countries the world over spied on their citizens, but I thought that maybe, just maybe, our beloved USA was a bit different. Obviously, I was wrong. Although seeing as I already learned the American Dream (TM) was a sham long before then, I shouldn't have been surprised.
edited 13th Sep '16 8:55:17 PM by kkhohoho
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And even I would argue that he should have known that.
edited 13th Sep '16 8:59:08 PM by Eschaton
How so? That's not coming from someone with the point of view of "he's a traitor and he needs to executed/imprisoned for life" that's coming from the someone who legitimately wonders why what he did is heroic?
Did anything change for the better? Did he actually uncover or reveal anything that people didn't already assume was happening?
edited 13th Sep '16 8:58:30 PM by LSBK
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My theater teacher would tell you that the NSA committed outright criminal acts that could potentially turn our country into 1984, and that Snowden is a savior for releasing this information to the public. And again, if I'm any example, many people weren't already aware of this, (of the spying, not 'outright criminal acts that could potentially turn our country into 1984', which is admittedly rather subjective,) so I guess he accomplished that much at least.
edited 13th Sep '16 9:02:37 PM by kkhohoho
I don't believe it. When it comes to the Russians and intelligence communities there aren't coincidences that big. This dude has a shit ton of information on his person and the just so happens to "get stuck" there? Right after leaking all that compromising data? And I guess the Russians just gave him that cushy office out of the goodness of their heart?
Oh really when?What Russia has been doing in regards to the election is just hacking and propaganda. Russia hacks information that harms the US and US interests and then revealed them via their propaganda arms. It's got nothing to do with Snowden because a good intelligence agency would make any information he knows outdated when he started revealing the NSA stuff, and his knowledge should definitely be outdated at this point. Also a good intelligence agency would make very high level "Oh Shit" kind of stuff on a need-to-know basis.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyLe Garcon, believe what you want. There's no use arguing with you. History will ultimately judge Snowden.
Wizard Needs Food BadlySnowden's a traitor (giving info to Russia) under a duress that the United States is complicit in causing. This is the sort of situation that a pardon was designed for.
(Well, okay. This is the situation that a full investigation of the NSA by a neutral power with overwhelming force, and a coerced pardon of Snowden by same overwhelming force, would be ideal for. Now, back in the real world...)
Snowden was in fact advised to stay in Russia
. By one Julian Assange. In other words, Garcon is correct.
If Snowden had been more street smart about the entire thing he might have saved himself a lot of trouble and avoided suspicions of being compromised by non-American intelligence agencies. But he wasn't.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotSnowden chose to be Russia's useful idiot. I'm not saying that the NSA programs were right or constitutional, but what he did was treason and should be prosecuted.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Every country was already aware they were being spied. It's no secret the C.I.A among other agencies are getting information below our noses. They all spy to some extent.
Snowden only put in the spotlight a truth we all were aware of.
edited 13th Sep '16 8:52:24 PM by Nightlikeday
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