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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#138501: Sep 13th 2016 at 5:25:33 PM

Not sure how the states handle it but in-person voter fraud is possible but A: easily discovered and B: very illegal. When I was working the polls we had a big ol' book that kept track of every single person assigned to our voting area and if you had voted at the early polling or by mail there was a note next to your name. You could still vote but note was made of the discrepancy and if it was anything other then a computer error, well, they know your name and address.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138502: Sep 13th 2016 at 5:29:04 PM

And, apart from very small scale local elections or very close races, it needs to be done en masse to be of any use.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#138504: Sep 13th 2016 at 5:39:09 PM

How would removing Trump from the ballot do anything anyway? His voters are just going to write him in anyway.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#138505: Sep 13th 2016 at 5:50:32 PM

So Snowden is asking for a pardon from Obama before he leaves...

Inter arma enim silent leges
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#138506: Sep 13th 2016 at 5:55:24 PM

Why?

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#138507: Sep 13th 2016 at 6:04:17 PM

Would Russia even let him come back over here?

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#138508: Sep 13th 2016 at 6:17:21 PM

Article re: Snowden

The timing isn't accidental - the movie about him comes out this month. The campaign is also being backed by ACLU and Amnesty International.

Edit to add: He's apparently also been much more outspoken against Putin lately.

edited 13th Sep '16 6:23:54 PM by Elle

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#138509: Sep 13th 2016 at 6:27:29 PM

He's probably out of info he can give the Russians and his safety is no longer guaranteed. Putin's out of uses for him and now he's scared.

Let him stay over there, he picked his side.

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#138510: Sep 13th 2016 at 6:33:29 PM

I don't want to get deep into this tonight but I've still yet to see anything but insinuation that he gave info to Russia, contrary to the claim that he gave all the data he had to the reporters in Hong Kong.

If that proof exists it's also likely classified. So I have to go by what's on public record and that's of a guy who appears to believe in what he says and acts on it.

edited 13th Sep '16 6:36:22 PM by Elle

FalseDichotomy from Your mind :o Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#138511: Sep 13th 2016 at 6:40:56 PM

A Trump supporter punched out a 69 year old woman.

Apparently he hit her so hard she fell back on her OXYGEN TANK. I wanna say more but I don't have any words for this.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138512: Sep 13th 2016 at 6:43:08 PM

After the interview, [the 69 year old] called News 13. She wanted to add one more thing, a question.

She asks if people find a Trump supporter punching her in the face deplorable.

edited 13th Sep '16 6:43:22 PM by Gilphon

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#138513: Sep 13th 2016 at 7:21:19 PM

"I said, 'You better learn to speak Russian,' and I said, 'the first two words are going to be ha ha.'

Dayum.

Nightlikeday Teller of secret stories. Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Teller of secret stories.
#138514: Sep 13th 2016 at 7:52:12 PM

I actually feel very bad about Snowden. For some he is a villain; for others he is a hero. We wouldn't be able to agree due to the grey shades of his actions.

The indisputable truth is that living out of the generosity and the fickle mercy of other countries is a horrible way to live. We all know he is not going to win any "fair trial." He lost his home (presumably) forever.

I know the truth—darkness beats light. Visit my DA: I'll share my secrets stories with you.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#138515: Sep 13th 2016 at 7:56:58 PM

He threw it away and sided with the Russians. The man is a traitor.

Oh really when?
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138516: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:02:36 PM

[up][up]

I actually feel very bad about Snowden. For some he is a villain; for others he is a hero.

My theater teacher back in college basically drilled the apparent evils of NSA and the evident righteousness of Snowden's actions into our heads until we had no choice but to believe it; almost like brainwashing I suppose. So I guess you all know where I stand on this.tongue

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#138517: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:13:38 PM

He deserves it, off all the places he escaped he got to the one that is only second one to China when it comes to spying on its citizens and infringing the rights of its own population.

Inter arma enim silent leges
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138518: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:27:06 PM

[up]So what I'm getting so far is, 'Letting everyone know about the NSA's surveillance doesn't excuse going over to the dirty commies'. But does it really? If I had committed an action that would likely net me only God knows how many years in prison, I might want to go anywhere that could even possibly protect me, even if it meant freaking Russia. After all, Russia is still a rather notable power in its' own right, and if push came to shove, they could keep the USA off my back for a price. And what's the harm of a little information for a lot more protection? Now, I'm not condoning everything Snowden did; far from it. I want to make that perfectly clear. What I'm saying is that if we were put in his shoes, we might end up doing the same things he did, or at least to an extent. Even if I thought he didn't do the right thing, I couldn't really blame him either.

edited 13th Sep '16 8:28:07 PM by kkhohoho

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#138519: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:36:26 PM

It's more like he compromised not just the NSA domestic spying but lots of our intelligence efforts abroad and then gave shit tons of classified secrets to the Russians who he's now working for.

And this isn't just being stuck in the Cold War, the Russians are our enemies. They've attacked us multiple times during this election and are making lots of aggressive moves against the West and NATO interests.

What is Snowden's goal? Because I'm pretty sure working for an autocratic enemy nation with a spy network both domestic and foreign just as large and intrusive as America's is counterproductive to any sort of attempt to benefit the American people.

edited 13th Sep '16 8:38:53 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138520: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:39:09 PM

The NSA has been actively violating our Constitutional rights by reading our e-mails and listening in on our phone calls like 1984, and somehow Snowden is the Big Bad?

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#138521: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:42:51 PM

Oh please... I am going to accept the opinion of the ACLU and Amnesty International on Snowden over that of the U.S. Government or random people on the Internet. Guy is a hero.

Besides, it isn't like the Russians need Snowden given how their hacking efforts against the United States have been going. Hell, even the North Koreans seem to have decent hackers. Really, the U.S. needs to fix its internet security big time, because that is the next battlefield.

edited 13th Sep '16 8:45:36 PM by GameGuruGG

Wizard Needs Food Badly
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#138522: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:43:18 PM

And what's the harm of a little information for a lot more protection?
Well, depending on the information, a lot. Although people have contested whether or not the info he has personally would be of any use.

While you are correct that it is a smart move from a self-preservation perspective, that kind of behavior seriously undermines him in the eyes of many, and that's not even getting into how the leak was handled, let alone the leak itself.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#138523: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:43:46 PM

He didn't have to compromise our intelligence network to tell us that but he did. He didn't have to give our secrets to the Russians but he did. He now has a cushy office in the Kremlin.

He's a traitor who couldn't give a rat's ass about the NSA's crimes or the American people. He did this for personal fame and recognition and now he's working with what could be called our only true existential foreign threat on top of that.

Oh really when?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#138524: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:47:27 PM

His leakage of the NSA dirty laundry was just the most obvious of the leaks, the stuff he released included a list of US agent and operative names and their locations, this along who the hell knows of things related to the US internal and external security.

The shit the Russians have been pulling in this election were direct result of his data releases.

Probably he must now have realized how much he screwed up and the Russians no longer see him as an useful asset and he is trying to get back into the US before he gets "disappeared".

Inter arma enim silent leges
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138525: Sep 13th 2016 at 8:49:59 PM

[up][up][up]My point exactly. You knew that, and I knew that, but I don't know if he knew that. He might have thought that whatever harm could be done from his stool-pigeoning didn't really matter too much in the long run, even if it actually could.

edited 13th Sep '16 8:50:15 PM by kkhohoho


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