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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
uhhhh........
I'm actually pretty certain there's a strong positive correlation between education level and tendency to be politically progressive...
Correlation does not equal causation, of course, but I'm fairly certain the correlation is there.
the degree is only paper, of course, but the exercise of having attended meetings and lectures and debates is incredibly valuable, and somewhat difficult (though far from impossible) to replicate outside of a school environment.
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you@Capsase- So what I'm seeing is that people will post about some decision by the Clinton campaign and you will invariably post "this is why that will inevitably horribly backfire", because you're really worried about her losing and not just waiting to say "I told you so". And I guess for some reason whenever someone posts about Clinton recovering, you have the same impulse to take a pessimistic view about her health. Because everything about Clinton has to be viewed in a negative light, including her mortality.
Guess the Dems should have chosen the young and vibrant Sanders, right?
edited 13th Sep '16 10:26:40 AM by Hodor2
He's worried that her being sick this close to the debates may translate into poor debate performance. I don't think that's completely irrational. It's not a personal reflection on her, it's a worry that this random event will be a problem in an election where we'd rather she have as much of a lead as possible.
edited 13th Sep '16 10:29:59 AM by Elle
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I guess. As it is, he seems pretty certain that Trump will win the debates to begin with. Not sure how posting how as an older person she likely has the potentially fatal strain of pneumonia fits into that though.
It's not irrational to worry about that issue, and I'm sure it's in the mind of Clinton and her campaign as well as people in this thread. But like Capsase seems to consider it his job to be a naysay about everything Clinton related.
edited 13th Sep '16 10:30:57 AM by Hodor2
I never said it doesn't have value. I said that Capsace's attempt to say "well you guys are different. You're college educated." backfired because many of us aren't. He's consistently shown a belief that college educated people are the only ones who aren't blindly following the news, which is incredibly insulting.
No, pneumonia is a serious infection especially for someone who is as old as Clinton is. The reason why she won't die from it is because it was caught in time and she has the best medical care that a government could buy. We are far from the era where a President could die from pneumonia thirty days after assuming office. In addition, it could actually affect Clinton during the debates given that pneumonia could last up to a month while being treated.
edited 13th Sep '16 10:30:59 AM by GameGuruGG
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It should and I hope so but the campaign trail doesn't stop for illness and energy for recovery is going to be at a premium.
I don't think anyone here thinks it's likely it will be fatal to her, but it's not a 0% chance either. Not cause to panic but not entirely worth discounting completely.
edited 13th Sep '16 10:36:40 AM by Elle
This. The purpose of dogwhistles is to allow you to get horrible messages through to your followers without the general public catching on. This isn't just "Hillary Clinton discusses some meme." This is Hillary picking up one of the dogwhistles in Trump's campaign and going, "Hey! Hey, everyone! Do you know what this is? Because you probably need to!"
Dissecting the GOP's dogwhistles in public for everyone to see is something that needs to happen in every campaign, really. Every political campaign should have at least someone going, "Hey guys, when Bob Candidateperson said 'let's barbecue some fish', he was showing solidarity to the Hate All Foreigners organization. That's their motto. The 'fish' are Cuban refugees. Thought you should know."
That should seriously be a political campaign role. The dogwhistle translator.
Hell, I'm a high school dropout. I'm about as uneducated ig'nant white trash as you can get.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm having a hard time picturing Trump's racist policies as "good." This isn't about being "balance." Discrimination and xenophobia are bad. No amount of neutrality can justify those.
I know the truth—darkness beats light. Visit my DA: I'll share my secrets stories with you.I don't think it's even a suggestion that anything about Trump/Republicans is good. The whole reason for the original "devil's advocate" (the guy arguing the dissenting view of the Catholic Church when considering someone for sainthood) was to raise counterarguments that, by defending against them, the case for sainthood could be made stronger.
I do think there is a bias among some people here to always assume the best of Clinton (and jump to the conclusion that anyone critical of her either implicitly supports Trump, Sanders or a third party/no confidence vote). I'm not proposing that I think there's a legitimate case but to me she does have a tendency to speak in weasel words (not as much as Trump but noticeably so) and stretch (fairly minor) facts and I still maintain the same baseline distrust I have of any politician. I'm willing to try trusting her but not blindly.
edited 13th Sep '16 11:11:44 AM by Elle
The timing of her pneumonia has been harsher to her image than the illness itself. We're all discussing this because a debate is coming and she had her symptoms at 9/11 commemoration.
I doubt she is going to die. I'm only worried that she might not be ready for the debate. Time will tell.
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I'm not worried about her dying, but the possibility remains until she recovers, and the debate issue is well within the realm of plausibility.
Now, as far as Hodor asserting I think Trump would win the debates even without Clinton being ill during them, I wouldn't say that as much as I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen during the debates, and the uncertainty worries me deeply. Trump is very good at a certain type of "debate" (browbeating), and if the moderators let him (or if the debate organizers actually cave to his ridiculous requests on toning down the moderation), he can and will monopolize the screen time he's given.
A properly conducted debate with good moderation is something that would definitely favor Clinton, but I'm not confident that will actually happen, hence my concern about the debates.
edited 13th Sep '16 11:23:06 AM by CaptainCapsase
Has Trump really shown any skills at debating?
I mean, sure he is great at one-liners, and making his opponents look bad. But when it comes to actual arguments, without any clown-reality-tv antics, he is far below Clinton.
I know the truth—darkness beats light. Visit my DA: I'll share my secrets stories with you.It is sorta true, even if it's not entirely deliberate, that a word against Hillary is a word in favor of Trump/Stein/Johnson/etc. The issue is that nothing occurs in a vacuum. Every debate, every philosophy, every event, is surrounded by context and that context colors its aims and consequences. I am perfectly willing to be critical of Hillary's positions, platforms, and decisions just as soon as she is safely in the White House, where impressionable young lurkers aren't going to see "Hillary is infinitely better than Trump BUT she has XYZ problem" and go "You're right, she DOES have XYZ problem. Well, I'm off to vote Trump!"
Hillary is flawed, but she's also currently in direct competition with someone who is much worse. Picking her apart right now just gives her opponents fuel to pull votes away from her. Look to the people who are freaking out over TPP so hard that they'd rather see Trump build concentration camps for minorities, abandon our allies to Russian takeover, and shoot nukes at anybody who looks at him funny than even entertain the thought of Hillary signing it - even though she's already spoken out against it! They are a perfect example of the fact that everything is a priority to someone.
Now is not a good time for the topic, "Hillary is the worst thing since Satan, true/false?" because right now, it's a topic that serves the purpose of driving voters to Trump rather than simply being a fair discussion of her. Picking her apart and debating her pros and cons would be a great discussion to have just as soon as we can be reasonably assured that millions of minorities aren't going to die for it.
edited 13th Sep '16 11:34:39 AM by TobiasDrake
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Clinton's dying before the elections is highly unlikely.
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