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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#138251: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:38:21 AM

That's not what I expected. But it's smart. At this point his rabid fans will follow him no matter what, he might as well try and appear presidential like he did in Mexico to gain some new voters.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#138252: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:42:08 AM

On the other hand, he screwed up the Mexico thing within a day by proclaiming the Wall was still on in Arizona, so we should probably wait-and-see.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138253: Sep 12th 2016 at 7:25:29 AM

How the fuck are Stein and Ryan in the Democratic line of succession?

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#138255: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:25:13 AM

Is it scary that Trump is at his most shocking when he's acting sane?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#138256: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:32:47 AM

[up] It's unnerving because it makes you question whether there is in fact a truly devious mind beneath all the bluster and the appearance of blatant incompetence

edited 12th Sep '16 8:33:04 AM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#138257: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:46:27 AM

All joking aside, I hope Clinton's managers can clear a day or two of her schedule so she can rest. I'm not worried that she isn't getting top notch medical care but the nature of traveling a lot is that you catch stuff you haven't built up resistance to and the nature of putting in long, stressful days is that your immune function is weakened, and for someone pushing 70, pneumonia is more of a threat then for someone younger.

Going by reports earlier this week from when she hosted that press conference on her plane and was interrupted a couple times by racking coughs, she's probably been working through it for a bit already.

edited 12th Sep '16 8:50:11 AM by Elle

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#138258: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:48:53 AM

I'm quite a bit younger and I came close to dying of it a few years back, but that's partly because it went undiagnosed for way too long.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#138259: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:54:05 AM

Probably. Rule of thumb is you should go to a doctor if those chest cold symptoms you think you have persist for more than a week, I think (or if they come with high fever or trouble breathing).

edited 12th Sep '16 8:56:46 AM by Elle

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138260: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:09:17 AM

538 has said that Trump's momentum appears to have stopped, though there haven't been any post Clinton illness polling done yet.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/polls-show-trumps-momentum-has-stalled-for-now/

One would hope that a candidate getting a relatively mundane and generally curable illness wouldn't impact the decision making process for voters. But the American electorate doesn't really inspire confidence this cycle.

edited 12th Sep '16 9:09:55 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#138261: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:23:13 AM

The mere fact she got sick might not, but it will probably cut into her performance for campaign appearances.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#138262: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:24:10 AM

You think too highly of the American people. There are already people calling for Bernie to replace her over this.

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#138263: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:25:00 AM

Went to the doctor today, he thinks I may have a developed an anxiety disorder thanks to me stressing out about this election, but I can't seem to turn away from the minute to minute details.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? It's kind of freaking me out a bit.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#138264: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:27:20 AM

[up][up]Probably just the same Bernie or Bust people who never really mattered that much.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#138265: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:29:05 AM

[up][up] To an extent.

@Smokey: to be fair, it's not out of the question that she could die or be permanently impaired from this at her age, so talking about that eventuality is not unreasonable, and the optics of the whole fiasco is doing a lot to make his look worse than it actually is. Though in that scenario, Kaine would take the top of the ticket, Sanders would at most be VP, though I'm not entirely clear how that works in a scenario where a candidate dies mid election.

edited 12th Sep '16 9:33:55 AM by CaptainCapsase

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#138266: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:30:51 AM

[up]x4 Ballot rules pretty much mean that the only person who can replace her at this stage is Kaine.

And even then he'd still technically be elected as Vice President. The 25th Amendment would simply kick in and make him President instantly on January 20th.

edited 12th Sep '16 9:31:32 AM by Falrinn

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#138267: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:31:29 AM

[up] Wait, who would be his VP? Paul Ryan?

edited 12th Sep '16 9:32:00 AM by CaptainCapsase

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#138268: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:35:18 AM

[up]Officially that would be sorted out after he took office. Though we would probably know who he intends to nominate well before then.

Paul Ryan would be next in line for the Presidency, but he wouldn't actually be VP. A vacancy in the VP position is filled similarly to a cabinet vacancy I believe.

edited 12th Sep '16 9:38:24 AM by Falrinn

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#138269: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:47:16 AM

As per the 25th Amendment:

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

edited 12th Sep '16 9:48:08 AM by Parable

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#138270: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:49:50 AM

Oh good lord we wouldn't have a Vice President.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#138271: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:52:16 AM

[up] Until Tim Kaine gets assassinated by a lone gunman on a grassy knoll. Meanwhile in Russia, Putin clasps his hands together and mutters 'Just as planned.' in Russian.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138272: Sep 12th 2016 at 9:52:25 AM

And if anything happens to Kaine in that scenario, you can bet that adherence to democratic principals ("electoral mandate? What's that?") will go out the window as the GOP starts running the country as if they had won an election.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#138273: Sep 12th 2016 at 10:17:35 AM

Trump says it's okay if Clinton sits during the debates. Which of course means it's going to be done standing. Depending on how she's doing on the 26th this could get rough.

edited 12th Sep '16 10:18:11 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#138274: Sep 12th 2016 at 10:22:16 AM

I'm almost certain that Trump will try to exploit's Hilary's perceived weakness in the debate or latter on in his campaign.

Yes, arguably the incident wasn't out of the ordinary, and Trump isn't a stellar example of health either. But remember, perceptions are everything.

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#138275: Sep 12th 2016 at 10:23:38 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past this stupid country to elect Trump because they think Hillary getting sick is a sign of weakness. There are already alt-right morons on Twitter saying she uses a body double.

edited 12th Sep '16 10:24:19 AM by Lennik

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