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Nightlikeday Teller of secret stories. Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#138201: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:04:52 PM

That's certainly a disturbing though, but I doubt it will be that extreme. A part of me hopes stress was the main cause.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138202: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:07:59 PM

I really hope it wasn't stress. The presidency is an extremely stressful job.

But: Trump would not win by default. The Democrats would nominate someone else. Trump would get a head start, but it would be a head start that's hard to capitalize on without coming across as an ass to the people he'd be trying to win over.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:09:49 PM by Gilphon

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#138203: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:08:43 PM

[up][up][up]Well, yeah.

Pneumonia is easier to treat than obesity after all.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:09:19 PM by Krieger22

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#138204: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:11:49 PM

There is no way a candidate would hope to match Trump in less than 3 months before the election. Without Hilary, Trump wins. No doubt.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:14:16 PM by Nightlikeday

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#138205: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:18:29 PM

[up]I think you have completely overlooked the existence of Tim Kaine.

Trump has run a campaign this far because you can get surprisingly far when the media needs ad sales and when r/CoonTown gets something approaching an actual political influence. He has no real policy beyond fucking minorities over. Post facts or not the Democrats have yet to bring out the big guns.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138206: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:18:57 PM

Clinton's doctors have said she's rehydrated and ready to get back on the campaign trail so I wouldn't worry too much.

Though if he does win, I suggest you all buy tickets to somewhere nicer and turn out the lights and lock the country up behind you as you go.

randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#138207: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:20:44 PM

If the worst came to pass then I would hope by some miracle Biden decides to step up to the plate. Not only do I believe he could stand his own against Trump, I think he would demolish him. Plus Biden would be a great president.

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#138208: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:20:59 PM

I'm aware there are other candidates. The—sad if you so see it that way— truth is that the majority of voters will only pick one of those two parties. I've yet to see a sign that points out a different outcome.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138209: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:21:19 PM

[up][up][up][up]See, I'm sceptical about that, because a significant portion of Hilary's base is more anti-Trump than pro-Hilary; to some extent it doesn't matter what the new candidate is like. And meanwhile the democrats can curry sympathy with the undecideds, while Trump would be probably be characteristically callous and draw ire.

I don't think there are very many people going 'both candidates are great, but I like Hilary just a bit more', so I'm having trouble imagining the kind of person who would be convinced to vote Trump by Hilary's death, is what I'm saying.

[up]Tim Kaine isn't a third party candidate, he's Hilary's running mate.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:22:39 PM by Gilphon

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#138210: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:21:51 PM

In fairness, it has been pretty hot lately.

Although I might only have been feeling it because my house's air conditioner was broken.

Oh God! Natural light!
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138211: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:23:32 PM

I'm aware there are other candidates. The—sad if you so see it that way— truth is that the majority of voters will only pick one of those two parties. I've yet to see a sign that points out a different outcome.

Since Johnson and Stein lack any sort of qualifications for the job, that's just fine.

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#138212: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:25:43 PM

Of course there are much more capable people than those two. But politics don't work that way. They're a set of favors and connections. Candidates are never the most capable people.

A new candidate, as awesome as she hypothetically might be, simply wouldn't have the necessary time to gain the trust of the majority of voters.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:30:06 PM by Nightlikeday

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138213: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:28:23 PM

It's pretty hard to be more qualified than Clinton is.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#138214: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:29:58 PM

Yeah, Clinton is, by any standard, ridiculously qualified to be President. A former Senator, Secretary of State and politically active First Lady? C'mon, now.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138215: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:30:44 PM

[up][up][up]You don't seem to understand what we're saying here.

First: The new democrat candidate would probably be Tim Kaine, who, as Hilary's running mate, is already a pretty public figure. They wouldn't be starting from scratch.

Second: They wouldn't need to win the public's trust, but simply avoid losing it, because so many people would be willing to support anyone who's name isn't Trump.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:37:34 PM by Gilphon

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#138216: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:33:05 PM

I'm not saying Clinton isn't qualified. I'm saying that qualifications alone didn't allow her to be a candidate.

You simply can't be a successful politician without connections and powerful backers. I know there are exceptions. But the world still has a long way to go.

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#138217: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:34:35 PM

[up][up]

I understood perfectly. We just disagree.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#138218: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:38:50 PM

Alliances and connection had been part of politics from day one. It's just inescapable.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138219: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:39:26 PM

[up][up]Well you sure haven't said anything to explain why you disagree. Like, okay, you generally don't get the nomination without connections, yeah, but in this case Tim Kaine would probably get it because that's the point of having a Vice President, so I'm having trouble seeing that as relevant.

edited 11th Sep '16 9:39:36 PM by Gilphon

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#138220: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:42:42 PM

[up]

I was talking about two different things: A possible candidate to replace Clinton and job qualifications. There isn't a direct connection.

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#138221: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:47:16 PM

Except that you are rambling about favors and connections.

Are you having a panic attack or something?

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#138222: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:49:43 PM

I'm not scared. I'm just sharing my opinions on the system as a whole.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138223: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:49:59 PM

So... what I'm getting is that you really haven't said why you disagree with me. Feel free to restate your point if I'm wrong about that.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#138224: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:50:03 PM

[up][up]The whole purpose of a running mate is, when push comes to shove... having a Plan B.

It often gets used in other ways, sure. But, the first and main reason is "just in case". And, always has been. :/

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#138225: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:58:30 PM

My source of disagreement comes from the idea of leadership, as I've experienced it.

I'm aware a lot of people are voting against the other out of fear or rejection from their counterpart. Many others are willing to vote for whomever continues the previous candidate's efforts and ideals.There are people that are voting against Trump or against Hilary. The "lesser of two evils" as it's often said. In that sense I get your point.

However, what's at play here are the people that are backing up Hilary as an individual person. As such their loyalties wouldn't necessarily go to her successor or even Trump. A loss of enough of this kind of voters could very well sway the election the other way.

For some, voting for a candidate is having faith on a person even more than their party or their ideologies.

Or to put it simpler:Would trusting you mean, I'll trust your siblings?

edited 11th Sep '16 10:06:22 PM by Nightlikeday

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