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MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138126: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:50:41 PM

Btw, I noticed not many argued against me calling Clinton a conservative. Anybody wish to discuss?

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#138127: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:50:59 PM

I've no intention of being tolerant and accepting of the likes of Pence and his ilk. They're unintelligent, and I'll tell them as much. They're louts, and I'll make sure any of them that adhere to those beliefs know I think that of them.

Let others be kind and good debaters, I don't care to be good or honorable to them.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138128: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:52:58 PM

[up][up]Clinton was the 11th most progressive member of the Senate during her time there. She opened up the State Department to the LGBT community in a way prior Secretaries had not. Her current platform is one of the most liberal in the history of the country, even factoring for year.

She's only conservative when compared to the most extreme parts of the left-wing.

The reason most people responded to the Trump comment rather than the Clinton one is, of course, because calling the fascist a moderate is objectively more outrageous than calling the progressive a conservative.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:54:12 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#138129: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:54:24 PM

Clinton has pneumonia according to CNN.

Oh and Trump is only a moderate in the sense that he wants to combine Nationalism with some elements of Socalism, so kind of Social Nationalist agenda would best describe him.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:55:32 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138130: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:55:01 PM

[up][up]

How are we to assume she isn't also putting a fake mask on as Trump is? She could easily be doing, more easily then Trump in fact. And the fact she has not only lied about a variety of different things before in her career, it only makes it even the more likely.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:55:16 PM by MrRockler

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138131: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:56:06 PM

That could be problem...if CNN et al are stupid enough to make it into a problem.

Trump, of course, is suffering from a variety of exciting personality disorders, yet nobody save Lawrence O'Donnell and (hilariously) Mika Brezinski ever wants to comment on that.

[up]How are we to assume that anybody ever is telling the truth? Might as well go hide under a rock and ignore politics altogether.

Clinton's platform is as progressive as they come. Trump's is so reactionary I'm surprised it doesn't recommend going back to using handaxes and clubs.

Your assumption that Clinton is a conservative is based off a belief that she's lying. The reality of Trump's reactionary positions is in his own platform.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:59:03 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#138132: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:56:18 PM

[up][up] Because we are rational fact based people who structure our belies based on reality and not random baseless assumptions that lack factual backing.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:57:17 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#138133: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:56:43 PM

[up][up][up] Do you have any proof that she is doing that?

edited 11th Sep '16 2:57:08 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#138134: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:57:04 PM

[up][up] the slogan of that Louisiana gubernatorial race remains forever true. Vote Lizard before Wizard at all times.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:57:15 PM by NickTheSwing

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138135: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:57:11 PM

[up][up][up][up]

But you just did the same guessing game with Trump.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:57:36 PM by MrRockler

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#138136: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:58:26 PM

[up] Nope that was you, you said that Trump is faking his horrible beliefs for the benefit of the GOP base, I think he's genuinely a racist asshole and have evidence to back that assessment up.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:59:31 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#138137: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:58:50 PM

[up][up] he's demonstrably racist, a scummy fascist, and he panders to idiots and elementary school dropouts. Reason enough to vote Clinton.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:59:10 PM by NickTheSwing

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#138138: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:59:44 PM

I'm guessing I have to outright say I'm not voting for Trump when I'm defending him, since most people assume this.
It's an especially heated election year. But yeah, I too find it grating when someone gives me this judgmental "Are you with us or against us?" vibe when I share my opinions on the matter.

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138139: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:00:00 PM

[up][up][up]

You stated "we", a very bland and indirect term which I can only guess refers to the entire discussion and everybody participating in it. I had people who did agree with my assumption, so to dismiss Clinton as faking it shows me there is some bias lurking here.

edited 11th Sep '16 3:00:21 PM by MrRockler

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138140: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:00:57 PM

But you just did the same guessing game with Trump.

No we didn't. Trump's fascistic, reactionary positions are on display for all to see. He's said the families of terrorists should be executed. He's said he will build a wall. He's said he wants new immigration tests. He's openly mocked the disabled, women, and pick-your-minority. He's openly suggested imprisoning or deporting Clinton if he wins. He's openly suggested having her assassinated if he loses. These are all things he has said.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#138141: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:01:17 PM

@nervmeister-

Since Mr. Rockler's is blatantly a Trump supporter concern-trolling the thread, he's probably not the best example for you to cite in agreement.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#138142: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:03:09 PM

[up]X3 Who agreed with you that Trump is faking it? I belvie that someone people stated that that was what you were saying, but I didn't see anyone actually agree with you.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138143: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:04:18 PM

@Hodor 2

So me trying to treat each candidate with the same amount of suspicion makes me a "Trump supporter' and a "troll", k.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138144: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:06:27 PM

You are trying to make Trump out to be better than there is evidence for him being, and Clinton worse than there is evidence for her being. You may think that's treating them the same, but it's Trump who benefits more from this little intellectual exercise on your part.

Again, Trump's stated positions are reactionary and even fascistic. Clinton's stated positions are progressive. If you're going to turn around declare that she's more to the right than he is, you'd better have a whole lot of evidence for that.

So—show us the evidence. We're all listening.

edited 11th Sep '16 3:08:02 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#138145: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:08:01 PM

[up][up]Yes.

Because they don't warrant the same kind of suspicion. Trump is blatantly a sexist, racist piece of shit (qualities you apparently don't find concerning) with troublingly authoritarian policies and rhetoric.

edited 11th Sep '16 3:08:20 PM by Hodor2

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#138146: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:08:55 PM

Yeah, Deshar and Hodor are right. You have barely said anything negative about the guy except for the obvious, while the opposite keeps happening with Clinton and you.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138147: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:09:04 PM

[up][up]

Sorry I don't conform to the general consensus then.

edited 11th Sep '16 3:09:20 PM by MrRockler

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#138148: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:10:40 PM

Okay, besides being incredibly snarky for no reason with that response, you still have given no proof that you're not a Trump supporter.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#138149: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:10:46 PM

If you'd like to dispute the general concencus with facts or an actual argument we're all happy to wait for a bit.

[up] If he's a Trump supporters or not is irelivent, what matters is that he's providing no argument of fact based statements.

edited 11th Sep '16 3:11:38 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#138150: Sep 11th 2016 at 3:11:53 PM

Look, can you prove that Trump's bigotry is just for show, and that Clinton is more conservative than she lets on?

Because all you do is deflect challenges to do just that, and go on about wanting "balance" - if you want balance, then provide some weight.

Oh God! Natural light!

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