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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138076: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:04:52 PM

[up][up][up]Given the screaming rants about the horrors of taking down the flag, too much of it is Neo-Confederate.

Not that that is isolated to the South. I'm in Canada and we still get Neo-Confederate creeps here. Especially in my rural, ultraconservative, "have just progressed enough to understand fire" district.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:05:07 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138077: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:05:04 PM

@LSBK

I concur.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:05:26 PM by MrRockler

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138078: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:06:36 PM

I'd call my state as Neo-Confederate. McCory's platform is built around it.

I define it as an anti federal stance drawn along the lines of refusing to recognize human rights. You see a lot of people pushing for "State's Rights" and "State pride and heritage."

Almost always racial and bigoted undertones to it. And of course not disavowing the Confederacy as the white supremacist traitors that they are.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:07:56 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138079: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:07:28 PM

[up]

Well I wouldn't know what state that would be, so I wouldn't be able to respectfully agree or disagree on that.

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#138080: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:08:19 PM

Well where I live at, really have only heard a couple gripes about the flag. And majority of the time, those "neo-confederates" lurk out of sight of the public eye.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138081: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:08:34 PM

[up][up]North Carolina. Governor McCory has been in the news all the time because of it.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:09:03 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#138082: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:09:17 PM

@Rockler

Only thing I really trust Trump to do is to reject the TPP while in office (Hillary's more uncertain in that regard). But in light of all the recent shenanigans Trump's been pulling as well as who among his voter base he seems to want to go out of his way to appeal to, it's probably not worth it.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:10:29 PM by nervmeister

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#138083: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:09:57 PM

Isn't the legislature in North Carolina more right-wing than the population as a whole, though? Isn't that a nationwide problem, right now?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138084: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:12:23 PM

[up][up]"Probably"? I can't get into the heads of people who are so tied up about TPP that they are willing to consider supporting a war crimes advocate who chronically lies.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138085: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:12:47 PM

@nervmeister

Clinton would probably rewrite it, very little of it to the point where it has barely been changed, but still try and work a compromise. But she's said one thing, and did another before, I feel she's the most conservative candidate up for election really.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138086: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:13:26 PM

[up][up]Really shows their priorities. Really shows how insignificant they think these racial and geopolitical issues are.

[up]Most conservative? More than Trump? Now I need to hear an explanation for this one.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:14:09 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138087: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:13:47 PM

The nationwide problem is that too many people think minding their own business means letting the hardcore right-wingers dominate the political and cultural scene because they can't be bothered. It's the political equivalent of the bystander effect and it has deadly effects on social progress.

[up][up]Only if you avoid calling Trump a conservative because you consider him a reactionary instead.

The man wants to go back to the 1930s. In Europe.

Seriously, Trump's policy positions and attitude read like a horror show blend of Benito Mussolini, Joe McCarthy and George Wallace. But somehow he's more progressive than Clinton?

edited 11th Sep '16 2:17:03 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138088: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:17:14 PM

[up]

I think Trump's a moderate, a dishonest one who puts up a false facade of a conservative Republican, but a moderate nonetheless. Of course Trump's immigration stance is his most conservative viewpoint, therefor most controversial and most well known, but everything else he's either slightly conservative or on the fence about.

That and how he's previously been a Democrat and an Independent shows he isn't the best picture for a Republican.

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#138089: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:18:05 PM

[up]Yes, that is true.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138090: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:19:00 PM

I mean, if you avoid defining conservatism as 'what the GOP stands for', it's not that bizarre an idea. I'm definitely willing to entertain the idea that Clinton might be the most in favour of maintaining the status quo.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138091: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:19:31 PM

...

There is nothing moderate about that lunatic wall. Or telling troops to commit war crimes. Or threatening to lock up your political opponents. Or suggesting a Muslim ban. Or the new controls he wants to slap on immigration. Or any of his racist and misogynistic comments.

And that's just Trump. Let's not even talk about the reactionary freakshow that is the GOP platform.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:20:42 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138092: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:20:01 PM

He's a white nationalist, admires dictators, has an erratic foreign policy that includes blatant crimes against humanity/leaving NATO and the Far East to rot, and is so protectionist that he has confirmed that he will start trade disputes with the US's closest partners.

Trump isn't a moderate by any stretch of the word. Just because he isn't so blatant about hating gays (the GOP certainly does, torturing LGBT children is in their platform) doesn't make him a moderate.

[up][up]Clinton could be considered a conservative in the Eisenhower sense of the term, she wants to work within the system to bring measured and careful change. The GOP on the other hand isn't conservative anymore (not as a whole anyway), they are reactionaries at best, fascists at worst.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:21:28 PM by Rationalinsanity

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#138093: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:20:44 PM

That fact that he's changed his party affiliation should tell you something. The fact is that he could never make it as a Democrat but has been accepted into the Republican fold whether the average voter wants him to be or not.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138094: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:20:52 PM

Trump recently attended one of those LGBT hate rallies actually. Someone posted something here some pages ago.

Oh really when?
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138095: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:21:18 PM

@Ambar

Like I said, Trump's immigration platform is his most conservative, everything else isn't.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:22:14 PM by MrRockler

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138096: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:21:31 PM

I mean I suppose you could claim he's a moderate fascist, being closer to Mussolini than to Hitler. But that's damning with faint praise.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138097: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:22:37 PM

I'm really not seeing how those things aren't conservative. At least by the current American definition.

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138098: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:22:47 PM

[up][up][up][up]Oh yeah, I remember that now. So Trump isn't even pretending to not be a social conservative/reactionary. He doesn't play it up but still, attending anti-LGBT hate rallies is not one of the tells of your typical moderate.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:23:44 PM by Rationalinsanity

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#138099: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:24:13 PM

@ 138077

4-8 years of Trump vs god knows how many more with the TPP all but completely eradicating fair use, quality control in trade, and government and EPA oversight of corporate affairs (out of fear of getting sued) doesn't strike you as a cause for concern? Yeah, it shouldn't be the only concern of course, but it does rattle the nerves quite a bit.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:26:29 PM by nervmeister

NeoTerraKnight Since: Apr, 2014
#138100: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:24:32 PM

Could it also be the resentment of Barack Obama who they believe is Muslim and/or born in Kenya? Trump has yet to denounce that and more than half believes that.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:24:55 PM by NeoTerraKnight


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