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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#138051: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:18:27 PM

That's why whenever I hear "But Trump tells it like it is" I just want to smack them. Because Trump lies. He lies all the time. He's really obvious about it. He can't even keep his lies straight. And he's done this for his entire life. I'm serious, when you look back, he's consistently lied or claimed a bad memory in order to weasel out of anything thrown at him.

Like, whenever he's called in for a hearing about a failed business or Trump University, literally his only tactic is to say that he remembers nothing whatsoever about the subject. He doesn't remember his business partners, he doesn't remember his business plans, he doesn't remember any sort of timeline, he doesn't remember any details about anything, to the point that it really should be extremely alarming, because if he's telling the truth, he either never pays attention or genuinely has a memory so bad that he shouldn't be placed in charge of anything at all. If he's lying, he does recognize those things and he has lied dozens of times under oath.

edited 11th Sep '16 1:19:31 PM by Zendervai

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#138052: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:29:00 PM

Trump tells people what they want to hear. Thing is, it's frequently incorrect.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
NeoTerraKnight Since: Apr, 2014
#138053: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:33:18 PM

Then let's have the people hear what Trump said, starting with hours after the 9/11 attack all right here. A display of humanity as an adult if you may...

https://twitter.com/MarlowNYC/status/774976459488292864

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138054: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:37:00 PM

Or maybe, just maybe, Trump supporters are unhappy with the statuesque and are tired of left-dominated politics. But what do I know, they're just all racists, sexists, and terrible people. Arrogance, dishonesty, and inhumanity is all this election cycle is.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138055: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:39:48 PM

If you're so tired of "statuesque politics" that you'd support a man like Trump then yes, you are a terrible person.

It says that at the very least you're comfortable with the idea that a white supremacist like him can be allowed hold the highest power in the US.

And if you tolerate that then I just don't know what to say.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#138056: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:49:25 PM

That's an overly reductionist view of the sociological mechanisms behind Donald Trump. This is something that's happened before numerous times in American history, insofar as popular resentment against an increasingly captured democracy is approaching a boiling point, and unfortunately, this time, racial resentment has become the go to outlet for a large plurality of the population.

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138057: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:53:22 PM

[up][up] Actually I came into this discussion as someone who didn't support either candidate, people who blindly support one candidate and deem the opposition into such blind strokes of paint will end up dooming themselves to bias and the inability to accept new ideas.

I see the positives in Hillary, but I also see them in Donald. If we all just treated one another as equals with different views, but still the same, maybe politics wouldn't be such a cold, unfriendly place. That's just my two cents.

edited 11th Sep '16 1:54:18 PM by MrRockler

AlphaVII Mecha and Waifu, become one! from A part of the endless starry sky Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#138058: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:53:57 PM

Honestly, I don't really trust ANY politician to get the "job" done.

edited 11th Sep '16 1:54:21 PM by AlphaVII

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#138059: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:55:13 PM

But Clinton and Trump aren't equals with opposing views. The two are incomparable. Nothing Clinton has ever said or done is anywhere near as heinous as Trump's views on race.

What makes you think they're similar?

Oh really when?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138060: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:55:22 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]"Left dominated politics"? Because a Republican controlled Congress and Senate is just so left-wing and progressive.

edited 11th Sep '16 1:56:13 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#138061: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:55:27 PM

So what you're saying is, Troomp is all, "I don't remember, I don't remember what I said!"?

Do not obey in advance.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#138062: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:55:28 PM

@ Rockler:

Or maybe, just maybe, Trump supporters are unhappy with the statuesque and are tired of left-dominated politics.

I'm not sure I'd call recent (as in post-Carter) US politics Left-wing, at least compared to the beliefs of the the Left on the other side of the Atlantic. In general, Centre-Right is nearer the mark.

edited 11th Sep '16 1:56:32 PM by Greenmantle

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#138063: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:57:48 PM

I support Clinton because, above all else, my human rights are on the line, as are the rights of many other minorities. Plus she at least knows what she's doing. I'd never trust a businessman with public office, especially not one with as horrible of a record as Trump.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138064: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:58:18 PM

@Rockler

What "positives" does Trump have?

MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#138065: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:58:52 PM

Maybe "politics" was the incorrect word for it, I was referring to US society really, which is undoubtedly left-wing in nature.

[up]

It's hard to clearly state the positive characteristics of an ordinary person, not everybody is a Mr. Rogers or Mother Teresa. As always, it's shades of black and white so your experiences through your life determine what makes a "good guy".

In my personnel view, I respect him for his success through his life, he had his downfalls too especially in the early 90s. But he managed to get back up again even when all seemed lost, not by a financial standpoint, but from a personnel one. You may consider it narcissism, but I feel it's courage to get back up again and rebuild your public image.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:03:45 PM by MrRockler

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#138066: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:59:48 PM

[up]I have very heavy doubts about that claim.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138067: Sep 11th 2016 at 1:59:50 PM

Speak for yourself. My neighborhood is covered in Trump signs, Confederate flags and filled with Klan sympathizers.

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#138068: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:00:02 PM

[up][up][up] US society is Right-wing from the European perspective. Issues such as abortion are non-issues here.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:01:58 PM by Greenmantle

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#138069: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:00:03 PM

@Rockler

I'll pass that along to the neo-Confederates who rule most of the south, politically and socially.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:00:22 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

AlphaVII Mecha and Waifu, become one! from A part of the endless starry sky Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#138070: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:01:09 PM

[up]As someone who lives in the south, that's a rather bold claim.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#138071: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:01:50 PM

It's a pretty correct one, I live down here too.

Oh really when?
AlphaVII Mecha and Waifu, become one! from A part of the endless starry sky Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Mecha and Waifu, become one!
#138072: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:02:42 PM

Honestly, I HAVE seen some stuff like that, but thankfully NOWHERE NEAR as bad as some make it out to be.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#138073: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:03:23 PM

Or maybe we should all stop using our own little bubbles to define entire huge regions. I live in the South too, and where I live doesn't match up with Le Garcon, but that doesn't mean what he's saying isn't true in his neck of the woods.

That being said, the South is super conservative and/or regressive, but at this point I am interested in how much of that is "Neo-Confederate".

edited 11th Sep '16 2:04:53 PM by LSBK

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#138074: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:04:34 PM

The US is probably the most right-wing country in the Anglosphere (though Australia has its moments and England/Wales are looking iffy as of late). Its positions on capital punishment, welfare, taxation, crime & punishment, and human rights in general is more or less out of wack with most other liberal democracies.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#138075: Sep 11th 2016 at 2:04:50 PM

[up][up][up] You obviously haven't met the neo-confederates then.

(source: am from south, has very right-wing father)

edited 11th Sep '16 2:05:12 PM by golgothasArisen

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