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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137926: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:38:02 AM

How exactly was the statement bad? She called out Trump for giving a voice to the racists, anti semites, homophobes, and other bigots.

She also pointed out that the rest of his supporters are people who just want things to get better, but are looking to the wrong person. That we should talk to those people and convince them that Trump's plans won't help them.

I don't see the fault in what she said.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137927: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:45:25 AM

Not wanting to call a group of racist voters "deplorable" is probably an example of actual political correctness gone slightly mad.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#137928: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:45:55 AM

If there is any room for interpretation, people will interpret it the wrong way.

(That's probably a corollary to Murphy's Law.)

edited 10th Sep '16 9:46:21 AM by pwiegle

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#137929: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:50:33 AM

[up][up]Hear hear.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137930: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:53:50 AM

I agree with Clinton, many of Trump's supporters are racist/every other ist. But perception is everything.

Nate Silver and the others at 538 looked at Clinton's issues with the polls, it comes down to her having a few bad media cycles and her convention bump wearing off. The debates are a big opportunity for her (and the media might not go easy on Trump after the Lauer debacle, and Clinton will finally get a chance to call him on his BS to his face) and Trump's negatives still give her a 3-5 point edge in their eyes. And despite this being a low point, Clinton is still winning and might attract swing voters who will freak out at Trump winning and won't stay home/vote 3rd party.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-trump-gaining-on-clinton/

They do think there is a risk of Trump "winning" the first debate because the media will praise him if he manages to string a paragraph together.

edited 10th Sep '16 9:55:48 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137931: Sep 10th 2016 at 10:40:36 AM

I personally think she made this comment for not only taking the news cycle away from Trump and her emails (ugh), but also for a chance to double down on it at a press conference, and THEN have Trump's supporters and surrogates prove her right, furthering the news cycle and THEN have it brought up during the first debate, and once she's face-to-face with Trump, with the knowledge of how he'll debate from the Presidential town hall, she's going to bait him into saying some racist/sexist shit and GG.

It's honestly, kind of genius.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137932: Sep 10th 2016 at 10:47:47 AM

Genius, but risky if Trump doesn't take the bait.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#137933: Sep 10th 2016 at 10:50:58 AM

[up]Seriously? Trump rises to temptation like a trout to a lure.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137934: Sep 10th 2016 at 10:57:47 AM

Really, the issue with Clinton's "basket of deplorables" statement is that it's not something that's going to win over any of Trump's voters who might be on the fence. The lifelong Republicans who are voting for him out of party loyalty and/or a (likely futile) hope that the GOP establishment will be able to control him, or the working class whites who desperately cling to his claims that he can bring back manufacturing jobs. You know, the people who are either in denial about Trump's racism or sufficiently apathetic to race issues to vote for him on other points of agreement.

[up] Yes, but recently Trump has generally been better about avoiding the legitimately damaging (in regards to poll numbers) gaffes like the Khan thing, the penis size thing, and so on, either because he's capable of learning from experience like anyone else, or because his handlers are doing a better job than before.

edited 10th Sep '16 10:59:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137935: Sep 10th 2016 at 10:58:35 AM

The only thing Trump hasn't been baited by is his Tax Returns.

That in itself should tell you something.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#137936: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:11:05 AM

She is right, but if voters turn on her then it was a mistake.
It's only a bad move if her supporters, or potential supporters, dislike it. Obviously, Trump supporters aren't going to like it, but they weren't going to vote for her anyway. If she's pissing off Trump supporters but making people leaning in her direction (or at least away from Trump) like her more, then it's a good move from a strategic point of view.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137937: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:18:05 AM

[up] It depends on what Clinton's ultimate strategy is; if she's hoping to get disaffected GOP voters to flip, this isn't a winning strategy. The bigger issue however, is that media seems to be portraying it as a gaffe on Clinton's part, and that in and of itself can cause problems.

edited 10th Sep '16 11:18:45 AM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137939: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:31:11 AM

Also, she did distinguish between the actual racists and people who might be considering voting Trump out of fear/frustration at the way things are going. (Not that the meme-verse is likely to notice or care.)

edited 10th Sep '16 11:31:47 AM by Elle

chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#137940: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:31:55 AM

Here her statement about that https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/774671801808982016 It was a gaffe but she still stands by the alt right speech main point. It still not a great look for Trump though. The question becomes "Are racists half of Trump's base, or only 10%?" instead of her emails.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137941: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:37:55 AM

[up][up]

She was being overly generous at best, and outright lying at worst. I doubt there's a single Democratic politician who genuinely believes there's a good chunk of Trump voters who are just having "economic anxiety" and not having racial resentment towards minorities.

It's the racism. Period. Point blank.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137942: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:38:37 AM

Well, the debates are going to be interesting to the say the least.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#137943: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:42:42 AM

I fear the debates. If he does to her what he did to Jeb et al, this is gonna suck badly.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137944: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:44:06 AM

Clinton isn't worried about alienating Trump's band of racist nationalists the way his primary opponents were. She's also a much better debater than Jeb(!) ever was. I remember she held her own against Obama back in 08, and she didn't get beaten by Sanders either.

edited 10th Sep '16 11:44:33 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137945: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:48:54 AM

[up][up]

Again, why do you keep saying this? Hillary was grilled by the GOP for thirteen hours straight and while they were getting bitchy and irritable she was as cool as a cucumber.

Trump for 90 minutes is child's play.

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MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#137946: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:51:59 AM

Clinton has a terrible debate performance and always has, the Democratic primary debates were a cakewalk just because Sanders went so easy on her.

Also Twitter trends don't mean anything I'm shocked I have to affirm this.

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#137947: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:55:18 AM

[up] Is it opposite day? Because if Clinton wanted to destroy Sanders she would've snatched his soul away and laughed about it on the way home.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137948: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:56:39 AM

[up][up]Sanders? Going easy? On Clinton (or anyone really, man sticks to his guns)? What primary did you watch?

[up]And this, Clinton didn't want to drive off the moderates that made up the majority of Sanders' support base and consider her a viable second option.

edited 10th Sep '16 11:58:36 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MrRockler Since: Sep, 2016
#137949: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:57:15 AM

[up][up]

Not enough life to suck out for her immortality project.

[up] I can't find a rebuttal here just a question.

edited 10th Sep '16 12:00:36 PM by MrRockler

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#137950: Sep 10th 2016 at 11:59:24 AM

I don't mean her not wanting to insult his supporters or be flabergasted. I mean being talked over due to Trump's overly loudness. She may not be bad at debate like Jeb, but she still plays by generally conventional rules that Trump flouts.


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