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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137901: Sep 9th 2016 at 10:46:47 PM

PEOPLE: I wish Hillary would tell it like it is instead of saying focus group-tested pablum.

HILLARY: Trump supporters are racist.

PEOPLE: Whoa girl, think about the optics!!

edited 9th Sep '16 10:46:56 PM by TacticalFox88

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#137902: Sep 9th 2016 at 11:33:52 PM

Actually, I've heard that #BasketOfDeplorables is trending positively for Clinton on Twitter now. I think this is going to be amazingly good for Clinton.

edited 9th Sep '16 11:34:19 PM by GameGuruGG

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#137903: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:06:49 AM

Most of the Top Tweets under that hashtag seem to be negative responses from Trump supporters.

I don't know why she thought this would play well. Pandering to the Base gone wrong.

I saw a picture of a toddler with a Make America Great Again cap on. They're brainwashing them early.

edited 10th Sep '16 12:10:40 AM by BearyScary

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
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#137904: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:20:18 AM

...Did you expect Trump supporters to not feel offended? I don't think eager Trump supporters are voting for Clinton.

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#137905: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:21:13 AM

[up][up] They are kinda proving her point with negative responses...

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137906: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:27:42 AM

I find it hilarious that those who claim America is strangled by political correctness, but when someone rightly points out their racism and bigotry, they start crying bitter tears.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#137907: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:28:01 AM

[up][up][up]No, and no.

I'm just paranoid because Hillary is really disliked too.

[up]I feel the same way.

edited 10th Sep '16 12:28:33 AM by BearyScary

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#137908: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:35:02 AM

"Basket of Deplorables" is such a beautifully high-faultin', dismissive phrase. "I'm not mad, I'm just ashamed on your behalf."

edited 10th Sep '16 12:35:32 AM by TheHandle

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137910: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:50:37 AM

"Basket of Deplorable's" sounds like something Rowling would've made up for the HP verse.

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#137911: Sep 10th 2016 at 12:58:13 AM

@Beary Scary: Yes, Clinton is extremely disliked, and so is Trump. That means that this election is most likely going to be won by motivating the base to vote so as to keep their candidate's opponent from becoming president. Whoever is still a moderate at this point is probably not going to even show up to vote since they likely dislike the both of them.

I say this as someone who has been supportive of Clinton since the DNC.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#137913: Sep 10th 2016 at 1:25:39 AM

The alt-right has leaders?

I hear about the alt-left sometimes, but does it really exist?

Also, is just me, or does no one refer to "rightists"?

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#137914: Sep 10th 2016 at 2:03:37 AM

They usually get called right-winger instead. One hardly hears left-winger (left wing, sure, but not left-winger)

Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
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#137915: Sep 10th 2016 at 5:12:10 AM

Yeah, it's leftist and right-winger but not rightist and left-winger. Who needs consistency?tongue

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#137916: Sep 10th 2016 at 7:04:10 AM

Well, speaking as a Republican, I usually don't use the term "rightist" because it just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#137917: Sep 10th 2016 at 7:24:46 AM

Someone came up with a different theory of why Trump has been so successful thus far: marketing and brand loyalty.

In their struggle to understand the Trump phenomenon, establishment pundits, political scientists and millions of flabbergasted American voters have settled on a long list of sober-sounding socioeconomic explanations: Deindustrialization. Anomie. Racial animosity. The rising up of a dislocated America.

Perhaps. Surely, Donald J. Trump is where he is because of a new force in American politics, one very different from the old politics as usual. But the difference is not just socioeconomic. It’s much deeper than that. Mr. Trump has survived disasters that would have sunk an establishment politician because he and his supporters have a fundamentally different worldview. Mr. Trump isn’t just the first reality-TV candidate; he is the first candidate to embrace a slice of the country that sees everything, even the fate of the nation, through the logic of cutthroat American capitalism.

The world that Mr. Trump inhabits is today’s Other America, the seamy, blustering, hustling and huckstering underside of our fabled brightness and optimism. For those who can afford to idealize politics, it may seem alien. But for many people, it is everyday life.

The political and business worlds have always overlapped. But we used to — and the establishment still does — expect politicians to adhere to a minimal level of honesty and consistency. We judge business tycoons differently; within the confines of the law, more or less, we expect them to lie and cheat their way to the top, and we assess them solely on how quickly and efficiently they get there. The reputation of Ulysses S. Grant was tarnished by the mere association with the unseemly practices that earned his Gilded Age counterparts in the business world everlasting glory.

Perhaps it was only a matter of time before someone with the plutocrat’s professional ethics made that leap into presidential politics. But the rest of the country had to catch up. We lauded robber barons like John D. Rockefeller and Jay Gould for their business success, but no one suggested for a second that they were statesman material. Now, in an era when the market reaches deep into our private lives and even high school students are expected to be experts in self-marketing, the door is finally open. Enter Donald Trump.

He thrives where others flail. His rivals — including Hillary Clinton — have had to submit to their vocation as politicians and try to sell their character and integrity. Mr. Trump has had to sell only the idea of his success, which, according to the modern law of transitive properties, will make everyone who embraces him successful, too.

No wonder, according to reports, that Mr. Trump possesses such a fondness for Mc Donald’s, whose motto is “I’m lovin’ it.” The pitch requires no argument, no evidence, no complex rhetoric. You’re gonna love our burgers because the fact that billions of them have been sold proves the validity of the claim. You’re gonna love Mr. Trump because millions of Americans already do.

Seen in the light of modern commerce, Melania Trump’s lifting of lines for her convention speech from a speech by Michelle Obama had nothing improper about it. Success builds on success. There was nothing unusual about Mr. Trump’s acceptance speech in Cleveland, either. People were astonished that he did not tell a touching personal story, as all politicians do, and as Ronald Reagan did to consummate effect. Products, though, have no personal past or any kind of human dimension. A winning product is a result of the seller’s rigid, inflexible, even fanatical belief in the consistent quality of his merchandise.

The same goes for Mr. Trump’s bald lies at this week’s national security forum. He denied, despite hard evidence, that he ever supported the Iraq war. Pundits were dismayed. But his supporters love him all the more for his brazen adherence to the integrity of his “brand” over minor details like the truth.

Yet Mr. Trump seems to suffer from a manufacturing defect. Republican leaders seem to want to recall him as though he were a faulty airbag. And it’s unlikely that enough Americans will buy his marketing pitch for him to win in November.

Imagine, though, a different figure, someone with Mr. Trump’s callousness but without the thin skin, lack of self-control and fragile, oversize ego. Imagine, in other words, a demagogue who embodies the dynamics of America’s pervasive commercial atmosphere, but who is smart, cunning, self-aware and self-disciplined — so cunning that he would, say, embrace the parents of Capt. Humayun Khan with the slightest trace of a wink to his or her followers, and then, once elected, close the door to any Muslim who wished to immigrate to America. Imagine this same figure prefacing an insinuation that Mrs. Clinton be assassinated with a heartfelt declaration of her decency and good faith.

We had better prepare for such a person. In business, Mr. Trump might be called a beta test, or a “proof of concept.” To that end, he has already succeeded. Trumpism — not the political ideology rooted in xenophobia and nationalism, but the cynical worldview that sees politics, like everything, as a market to be conquered — is not going anywhere.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#137918: Sep 10th 2016 at 7:38:12 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295116-wikileaks-piles-on-to-clinton-earpiece-conspiracy

Wikileaks latest attempt to smear Clinton is apparently a seven year old email Huma Abedin sent asking "if u took your earpiece or does he need to get it" and claiming this suggests Abedin feeds her answers over an earpiece as recently as the Matt Lauer interview.

There's just one, rather glaring problem with this logic, even more so than the "evidence" being an email from 2009. The email was sent in reference to an event later that day at the UN. Everyone wears earpieces at the UN.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137919: Sep 10th 2016 at 7:56:42 AM

Fucking christ this is idiotic.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137920: Sep 10th 2016 at 7:58:27 AM

Man, the comment on the Hill is worse than usual. Like, whoa.

And can the West do something about those fuckers at Wikileaks? I hate those pieces of shit so much...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#137921: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:29:32 AM

Probably not without starting a massive PR nightmare. Not to mention they're a Russian asset, they've got protection.

Oh really when?
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#137922: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:05:52 AM

Sadly, I honestly can't help but wonder if we might have created our own monster with Wikileaks - aggressive pursuit after their initial leak led to their seeking help from anyone willing to provide it, and/or an increased fixation on taking down US leadership as "payback".

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137923: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:25:08 AM

So, apparently even Democrats think that Clinton's "basket" remark will backfire. And people in general think that this is on the level of Obama's "god and guns" comment, or even Romney's "47%" rant.

Definitely buying a good bottle of hard liquor for Election Night though, I'll need the damn thing no matter what happens. I picked the wrong time to quit mid-week drinking.tongue

edited 10th Sep '16 9:27:09 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#137924: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:34:11 AM

The problem with that statement is that she's right.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll agrees, a Pew poll agrees, and so does the 2016 ANES pilot survey.

It may be a non sequitur when compared with the rest of her campaign, chewing out the alt-right excluded, but she is right.

Assuming this doesn't get buried under hyper-nationalistic circlejerking over today in this time zone.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137925: Sep 10th 2016 at 9:35:47 AM

She is right, but if voters turn on her then it was a mistake. This election isn't about principles, its about winning. Its about keeping a genocidal, fascist, erratic lunatic away from the most powerful position on Earth.

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