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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#137676: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:08:23 PM

Definitely in favor of Selective Service for women. In any instance in which we actually resort to the draft, women should share the burden to the extent of their capabilities. If an individual woman proves physically unfit for combat duty, she can be assigned another job or discharged.

When your very life is in danger, your welfare, your livelihood, your school, your job, damn right you want a fix now, not when you're already thrown in the street, locked out of college, bankrupt from hospital bills, thrown in jail for smoking weed, homeless because you pissed drunk in an alley, shot dead for being black, or whatever other unjust and horrible fate is staring you right in the face.
Welcome to life. In all places in all countries, you can be screwed over by the system for something you did that shouldn't be a crime, or because of what you are. Screaming "fix it now" at the top of your lungs and rejecting anyone who tells you you can't have what you want instantly may be cathartic but it doesn't make change happen. It just screws up the system for people who are working to fix it.

Fighteer, if you are not getting your basic needs met (food, water, shelter, security), you have no obligation to abide by any kind of social contract that doesn't provide them for you. That's just common sense (and John Locke).

Hence, when blacks are facing what amounts to state-sponsored terrorism against their communities, saying that they should just wait for Clinton to fix it slowly and incrementally is an unreasonable request even if it's the better way, because it sure as hell isn't the better way for the people who are being gunned down now.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137677: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:29:21 PM

Trump just praised Putin again, during a national defense forum. Its surreal how he gets away with crap that would have had him hauled in front of HUAC or put on Nixon's enemies list a few decades ago.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137678: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:33:22 PM

I rather distinctly remember Lauer pressing that point by listing out all the shady things atributed to Russia.

I know people want to see Trump torn down brutally but to hear people here and on Twitter tell it I wonder if we were watching the same thing.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137679: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:42:03 PM

[up] He did. But here's the thing.

It wasn't enough

Trump is a threat to the Republic at best and a threat mankind itself at worst.

Any minute these fuckers in the media aren't grilling him hard with the fury of a thousand suns is enabling a fascist.

Full stop.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137680: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:42:33 PM

I suppose we'll have to see what the AAR is tomorrow.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137681: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:14:30 PM

I mean, honestly, praising Putin isn't really that far off from the rest of the GOP. the Putin envy is strong with them.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137682: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:17:14 PM

Only because they want to make the black guy look bad.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137683: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:22:06 PM

Well that and there's a degree of authoritarianism in the modern GOP that's not dissimilar to Putin's Russia. I'll grant you that it's also in the democratic party, but less pronounced.

edited 7th Sep '16 7:30:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137684: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:29:46 PM

Most of the GOP isn't so blatant about it. Not when a Russian jet just buzzed an American aircraft (within 10ft) in international airspace.

But Clinton's the "shill", yes sir.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137685: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:30:57 PM

[up] Trump mentioned that earlier and went on a tangent about how that demonstrates our leaders are incompetent. Because of course.

edited 7th Sep '16 7:32:07 PM by CaptainCapsase

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#137686: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:32:11 PM

It is surely bound to piss off even further the classic cold war Republicans who despise anything related to Russia or the Soviet Union though. As much as there are similarities between the Go P and the Putin, the older elements of the Go P still sees him as an enemy of sorts and Russia as a rival to the US instead of an ally or role model.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137687: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:36:15 PM

Yes, but if Trump (or more accurately his handlers) are clever, when Clinton tries to call him on that, he'll frame her and by the extension the democrats as stuck fighting the cold war.

Trumps campaign strategy has generally been, in contrast to Karl Rove's "Make my opponent's strengths his weakness." something along the lines of "Make my own weaknesses my opponent's."

edited 7th Sep '16 7:37:35 PM by CaptainCapsase

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#137688: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:50:46 PM

Even then if Trump and his handlers claim it is Cold War sucking, there is plenty of things you can pin on Putin that only neo fascists would want, like restricting the media, an even bigger crony state, curbing political dissent and a state notorious with privacy invasion.

Putin endorsing Trump and Trump's admiration towards putting can be well played as the Kremlin having its sway inside American politics and Putin's authoritarian stances being something Trump would emulate if he gets presidency could be pretty much turned against him if presented as something that every blue and red bloodied can dislike: an authoritarian foreign influenced tyrant.

Hillary could simply imply that Trump would turn the US into the rotten bureaucratic corrupt big state that Russia is without playing the Cold War Card.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#137689: Sep 7th 2016 at 8:18:11 PM

Romney tweets out he hopes Johnson and Bill Weld get a chance to participate in the debates.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
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#137690: Sep 7th 2016 at 9:25:39 PM

So Trump won't release his tax returns until Hillary releases every email she's ever sent or received.

Actual quote: "In the meantime, she has 33,000 emails that she deleted. When is she going to release her emails? She probably knows how to find it."

I don't think Trump understands what the word "deleted" means.

Remember when one of Trump's spokesmen said there will be a 'taco truck on every corner'? Well, someone's doing their part to make that a reality.

I want her to follow the campaign and set up a taco truck on the corner of every rally Trump holds until November. That's great.

Getting a President elected who supports drug legalization is only part of the process. Obama tried to get the CDC to declassify marijuana and they refused, and you'd also need the support of Congress. Good luck with that given the power of the pharma and law enforcement/prison lobbies.

With the government recently declaring an end to private prisons, are prison lobbies even going to be a thing anymore?

In a recent TV interview, Pence was complaining that Trump was the most criticized candidate that he can remember.

I don't know what I expected Pence to do during this campaign, but whining about people being mean to Trump certainly wasn't it. I would make a crack about him being reduced to Trump's cheerleader but credit where it's due, cheerleading is hard-ass work. Those womenHey!  are f*cking athletes and don't deserve to be disparaged like that.

Sanders was unelectable enough that he couldn't get elected the Democratic candidate for president. I fail to see how that makes him electable nationally.

Yes Sanders was a good enough fit that had he become the candidate the folks rage quiting instead of voting for him would have been being idiots, but he lost, so the idiots are the ones rage quiting instead of voting for Clinton.

I have seriously never understood the logic that a candidate who can't even win in the primary would be "more electable". Yes, the guy who can't even convince ''his own party'' to vote for him, he's the one that's going to win enough moderates and opposition to tip the scale and win the day.

People want fast and simple solutions to complex problems that will take time to work. Instead of the politicians, and by extension the media, taking their sweet ass time to explain for the average voter or their invested voter bases, that whatever they want can't be achieved quickly and easily as they'd like to but can be done with proper planning and commitment. Instead we get a politicians playing the "Just do it and do it now" cards like Trump is doing and the news channels playing controversies instead of actually exposing the agendas and how they can affect people in the short and long terms.

Yeah. I mean, we constantly mock Trump for this. "On my first day in office, on my FIRST day, all the immigrants will be gone. All of them. Every single one will be removed from the country on my first day."

It would be no less worthy of ridicule if he was a Democrat boasting, "On my first day in office, racism will be solved. I'm going to solve all the racism. Cops are no longer going to be shooting black kids in the street. Minorities will have equal access to all the opportunities. There will be no racial tension anymore, the white nationalists will all change their minds and stop trying to hurt other groups. It's all gonna be gone, and it will happen immediately on the day I take office."

Anyone who promises you an immediate solution is selling snake oil. He's either lying to your face or he's an idiot who has no idea how complex a political system or a social structure actually is. Possibly both.

To hopefully move away from the nihilism, what does everyone think about the vote to make women register for the draft?

I think that I would absolutely be willing to consider voting for John Mc Cain if the GOP were to spontaneously announce that they're showing Trump the door and making him their candidate.

Not saying I would vote for him against Hillary. But I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand the way I do Trump and Cruz. I'd be open to hearing more of his policies and ideas.

edited 7th Sep '16 9:26:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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#137691: Sep 7th 2016 at 9:44:16 PM

Eh, I don't think I'd vote for Mc Cain even if he was running as a relative moderate. I don't think I can trust any of the current Republican politicians when it comes to Civil Rights. Even if they aren't saying blatantly offensive things like Trump I expect they'll stick pretty close to the party line.

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#137692: Sep 7th 2016 at 9:47:52 PM

What happened to the contempt for Marco Rubio, aka that candidate everyone agreed was so-so? He brought this country together in trying to figure out whether he was a likeable candidate.

Let's make him the GOP candidate. Then the Republicans might actually win for once.

Note that this is a joke.

edited 7th Sep '16 9:51:57 PM by golgothasArisen

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#137693: Sep 7th 2016 at 9:52:21 PM

Rubio is a useless Congressman, he'd make a useless President.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#137694: Sep 7th 2016 at 9:56:11 PM

I do miss the 2008 election, when even though I voted for Obama, the prospect of Mc Cain winning didn't seem like the worst thing in the world, either. You could trust him to be competent at the job if nothing else.

This election, even putting aside policy issues, the difference in experience and credentials between the two candidates is just mind blowing. Hillary has pretty much the best resume you could ask for short of serving as Vice President, while Trump has zero political experience and a record of failed businesses and bankruptcies in the private sector.

edited 7th Sep '16 9:56:53 PM by RavenWilder

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137695: Sep 7th 2016 at 10:07:44 PM

If Mc Cain was the President we would've invaded both Iran and Syria by now which would've made Iraq look like a minor skirmish.

I don't trust ANY of the Republicans with the White House. Four years is a long, LONG time.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#137696: Sep 7th 2016 at 10:18:50 PM

Mc Cain is a mixed bag, many in the Go P consider him a RINO and the Alt-right would loathe him.

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm A quick summation so far 

A bit mixed bag on abortion due to being a pro-lifer but lax on abortion when it endangers the mother and lax on stem cell research and voted "no" on an act that would cut funding to sex-ed.

Fiscal conservative and anti-debt but in favor of regulating speculative markets and regularizing the financial sector and protecting homeowners from foreclosures.

Surprisingly progressive in racial and legal immigration including laws on women protection and affirmative action, no quotas and direct federal funding though, but still defends state rights to deal with same sex partners marriage although he doesn't defend a ban on same sex marriage at federal level.

Focus on small business and tax cuts for small business.

Though on crime in general including no protection for hate crime but shown to be in favor of community police and less shitty police forces. Still supports the war on drugs though.

And so on.

He is still a Republican but he isn't at least associated with the racist sectors of the Go P and is fairly progressive for a conservative. Essentially he falls on the reasonable side of politics considering his party, by far more likable than any other Go P candidate since 2008.

edited 7th Sep '16 10:23:04 PM by AngelusNox

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137697: Sep 7th 2016 at 10:22:37 PM

tldr; he's the type of Republican we should deal with, rather than letting the Tea Party take control.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137698: Sep 7th 2016 at 10:27:50 PM

[up] Still doesn't mean he's not an embarrassment.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#137699: Sep 7th 2016 at 11:07:32 PM

The problem is that he's gone extremely senile since 2008, started drinking the Tea and spouting stupid things about Obama (not to mention the embarrassment of picking Sarah Palin to balance his ticket) - you can only be surrounded by other Republicans for so long before you start to become just like them.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#137700: Sep 7th 2016 at 11:19:28 PM

[up][up] Actually that sounds like exactly what it means, when compared to the likes of Donald "Look at my African-American" Trump.

edited 7th Sep '16 11:19:52 PM by sgamer82


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