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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137526: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:13:54 PM

I don't think it's a serious suggestion.

That said, keep nerv away from political power.

[nja]Oh my god it WAS serious.

Definitely keep nerv away from political power

edited 7th Sep '16 12:14:35 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#137527: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:14:12 PM

[up][up] That's disgusting, and if it's the quality of discussion you're going to bring to this topic...

edited 7th Sep '16 12:14:18 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137528: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:15:00 PM

[up][up][up]Methods matter dude.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#137529: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:15:21 PM

[up][up]Apologies then. I'll drop it right now if it's too much. I'm here to discuss, not to disturb (at least not intentionally).

edited 7th Sep '16 12:19:49 PM by nervmeister

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#137530: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:15:31 PM

Again, the whole two-party system is why I think that just by Trump securing the Republican nomination, the Alt-Right has won. Even if Trump doesn't win, he is likely to do better than Goldwater did in 1964. And because of the nature of the US's political system, so long as the Alt-Right controls the Republican Party and the Republican Party remains a major political party, the Alt-Right will eventually get a candidate elected President.

However, even if the Republican Party collapses, neither the Libertarians or the Greens would assume the role of the new major party opposing the Democrats... Instead, the Democratic Party would divide into Moderates and Progressives... Basically, the Clinton Supporters and the Sanders Supporters.

edited 7th Sep '16 12:18:43 PM by GameGuruGG

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137531: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:18:44 PM

Obama should push one last executive order through.

Tax break (Republican buzzword!) for every eligible voter who voted.

Stackable in families.

Get people out to the polls in droves.

I'm fairly certain people this year would only elect to stay home on election day because they see the two choices as terrible. However, if they were somehow compelled to vote, I believe they would choose Clinton over Trump.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#137532: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:20:41 PM

However, even if the Republican Party collapses, neither the Libertarians or the Greens would assume the role of the new major party opposing the Democrats... Instead, the Democratic Party would divide into Moderates and Progressives... Basically, the Clinton Supporters and the Sanders Supporters.

Uh, no, because there's still this huge bloc of Fox News brainwashed people out there who believe strongly enough that liberals are the Devil Incarnate that they'll keep voting red no matter what. Those cannot be ignored. (The left's equivalent are the Greens, but they have sub-5 percent support on their best day, and more like 1 percent normally.)

Obama should push one last executive order through. Tax break (Republican buzzword!) for every eligible voter who voted.
Congress sets fiscal policy. Obama has no control over it whatsoever.

edited 7th Sep '16 12:21:31 PM by Fighteer

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137533: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:23:41 PM

Obama could try to shame the GOP but at this point I'm not sure that most Republican politicians feel remorse.

edited 7th Sep '16 12:24:03 PM by Rationalinsanity

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#137534: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:26:52 PM

[up]Plus, rioting would turn public opinion against them.

I've been reading a book about habit-creation that spent quite a lot of time on the Civil Rights Movement, how it sparked, and how it sustained itself. Fascinating read. One thing I rediscovered was the MLK-style, absolutely shocking approach of non-violent embracing of evil, of responding to hatred and opression not with fear or obedience or combat, but with ostentatious displays of love, in truly aggressive amounts.

Was there a rational, strategic decision not to recycle these methods, or were they simply forgotten in favour of more predictable, and therefore manageable, martial rhetorics of struggle, fight, encounter, retreat, etc.? Or are we doing something else altogether?

Because people complain about the hateful usage of shaming by bully SJW, but I can't think of a more overwhelming way of shaming someone than by responding to their aggression with relentless, messianic affection. I mean, Jesus Christ!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137535: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:30:53 PM

That's an unconstitutional order; the president can't do shit about taxes. Currently at least.

There's a case to be made that the perpetual deadlock is putting the US on the path to an elective dictatorship* simply by virtue of the country's dispute resolution mechanism for conflicts between the executive and legislative branches being to give more (de facto) power to the executive branch.

* I wonder how long it would take for the "elective" part to go away?

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#137536: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:39:18 PM

[up][up]I raise you this:

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

Also, a lot of complaints about SJWs are from (wannabe) /pol/ users complaining about people more left leaning or less obviously bigoted than them and using them to justify their bigotry. It's practically meaningless outside being virtue signaling (another phrase they love) that you are scum.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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United Earth
#137537: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:50:52 PM

[up]Doesn't matter that it's "a lot". That's a meaningless number in the internet age. I could also allude to "a lot" of hateful shit I've seen on Tumblr and Twitter.

Also, nobody's asking anyone to sit back or be quiet or let "moderates" dictate the timetable of others' freedom from a position of comfortable condescension. That's what the Democratic party does. That's not what MLK was about. MLK was about saying "I LOVE YOU" very loud and right in your face. It was agapean harassment. It was loud, proud, and impossible to ignore.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#137538: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:56:35 PM

He also blocked roads in the manner that gets the panties of today's conservatives in a bunch. And a convenient big stick in the form of the black nationalist movements.

He certainly is synonymous with civil disobedience, but it certainly wasn't handing out flowers like a Moonie.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137539: Sep 7th 2016 at 12:59:58 PM

Notably, there were other Black movements at the time, and King was able to disassociate from any violent forms of protest because violent protestors didn't go to him.

Today? BLM is about all they have.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#137540: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:04:49 PM

Why? Sure, the FBI crushed Black Power movements, Unions, and so on with methodical patience over the decades, but this is a new generation, enriched with the knowledge and experience of the old, and all of the tools of modern marketing and social engineering SCIENCE. The potential for systemic shakeup is staggering!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137541: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:07:05 PM

How many of those tools are made readily available to black folks in general?

Science, in particular, is a field where black folks are underrepresented, because many of them lack the faith in themselves to try. And that is a symptom of systematic racism.

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#137542: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:18:33 PM

We need more Neil deGrasse Tyson.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#137543: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:20:31 PM

They're underrepresented, but still numerous. And these black folk, and their allies, can and should help. There's still a lot of liberation left to do.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137544: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:25:14 PM

A hella lot. That is something we agree on.

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Lost in Space
#137545: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:25:52 PM

Yes. And tearing down the people who want to work within the system to help you, instead of throwing the whole thing out, is not going to advance your cause.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137546: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:27:46 PM

[up] I.... am not sure who that was addressing, or referring to...

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A procrastination in of itself
#137547: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:29:33 PM

It's probably aimed at the anarchists we have in the thread, remember only a few pages back people were openly advocating we threaten the greedy rich with execution despite them not having broken any laws.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137548: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:31:34 PM

[up]?!

I must have missed that conversation

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A procrastination in of itself
#137549: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:35:06 PM

Yeah someone was stating that the rich assholes who have put up the price of life saving medicine be dragged from their homes and threatened with execution and forced to beg for their lives.

You know, because we couldn't just make a few laws to force the price down, or he'll just nationalise their industries if need be. Threats of execution all the way...

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#137550: Sep 7th 2016 at 1:35:32 PM

In a recent TV interview, Pence was complaining that Trump was the most criticized candidate that he can remember.

Gee, I WONDER WHY. I mean it's not like he said or did things that were controversial.


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