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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#137426: Sep 6th 2016 at 4:24:54 PM

If you read the text below the chart the animus towards Clinton is glaring complete with the "Bernie Sanders would have made a much better candidate against Trump" myth.

Trump delenda est
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#137427: Sep 6th 2016 at 4:53:58 PM

Clinton is hardly an authoritarian. Though I would be interested in discussing what sorts of policies Trump and Clinton do have in common.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137428: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:08:07 PM

If you go by their respective websites, nothing.

The only thing they haven common is the desire to be president.

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Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#137429: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:09:06 PM

The political compass puts a lot of parties and politicians in the upper right corner. The British Labor party, Lib-Dems and Tories as well as the German CDU and the SPD are all up there.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#137430: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:47:24 PM

The problem with the Political Compass is that it's designed for the British political system circa New Labour, and hasn't really changed since then, since its original purpose was to flip New Labour the bird.

Nowadays, it's used by highly ethical people to claim that they are indeed leftists and not a few steps removed from the Brownshirts.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137431: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:50:51 PM

@tricksterton: Clinton has a historically low favorable/unfavorable rating for a major party nominee. She's reasonably well liked among her own party, but strongly disliked among the general electorate. If the GOP produces someone with charisma next cycle, she's finished unless we're in the midst of a boom economy, which is far less likely than the converse (another recession).

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#137432: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:54:23 PM

As seen on twitter: It's not voting for the lesser of two evils when one is a white supremacist and the other is a qualified woman who rubs you the wrong way. Pretty much the most succinct summation of this election I've read.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#137434: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:59:15 PM

Well it really is. People who try to sell it as being something else really don't seem to think of ethnic nationalism as a bad thing.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137435: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:01:57 PM

[up] I consider it extremely likely that the GOP is going to win in 2020 barring some very fortuitous economic developments that are more or less completely beyond Clinton's control, and likely with someone more charismatic but no less vile than Trump. It's the same story as everywhere else in the western world, and it's not going to stop unless we reverse the growing inequality of our society.

edited 6th Sep '16 6:04:23 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#137436: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:03:39 PM

If that's what you think then why does it matter if Clinton won over Sanders? It's highly doubtful he'd be able to do any more than she could.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137437: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:05:26 PM

[up] Because his approval rating floor is almost guaranteed to be higher than Clinton's; most Presidents' approval rating drops over the course of the first term, and if this trend holds, by the end of her first term she'll most likely be at GW levels of approval rating, simply by virtue of starting off so low.

edited 6th Sep '16 6:09:59 PM by CaptainCapsase

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#137438: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:11:02 PM

Those safe choices are still significantly better than extremely bigoted choices.

So excuse me if I fail to see an actual problem here. Especially when you consider the alternative is significantly worse than Clinton, who is frankly the next best choice other than Sanders, and since Sanders isn't in the running, well... yeah, it's a pretty simple choice realistically.

Shadow?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#137439: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:13:27 PM

I'm still not entirely sold on the idea that Sanders would be a better President than Clinton. She'd also be doing significantly better if the Sanders crowd didn't bend over backwards to portray her as the devil.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137440: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:14:45 PM

[up] I'm not saying he'd necessarily be better, just that he'd be less likely to lose to whatever the GOP trots out in 2020 simply by virtue of having an approval rating that wouldn't start off in GWB territory.

[up][up] That's more or less what "lesser evil voting" is by definition.

edited 6th Sep '16 6:17:38 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#137441: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:19:12 PM

I'm not as concerned about that because Clinton's approval rating is generally higher when she isn't actively campaigning. I'm also expecting that some of the less idiotic far left people will view her more positively when she actually tries to implement progressive legislation.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137442: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:20:19 PM

[up] It's higher when she's not in the public eye. The President of the United States is ALWAYS in the public eye. Moreover, since the democrats won't have the House in any reasonable outcome to the election, no progressive legislation is happening that doesn't have massive strings attached; it'll be at best two steps forwards, one step backwards.

Hell, there's even a decent chance the democrats don't retake the senate, especially if Trump has a good showing as recent polling would suggest, which means another four years of political paralysis.

edited 6th Sep '16 6:23:46 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#137443: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:22:58 PM

I don't expect her to get anything significant passed. What I'm saying is that the fact that she's actively trying should convince people that she isn't some corporate sellout.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#137444: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:23:42 PM

I'm still not entirely sold on the idea that Sanders would be a better President than Clinton

He wouldn't have been. Like, not even close. An ideologue has no business anywhere near the executive branch, let alone the Presidency.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#137445: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:24:00 PM

Shifting demographics could still punish the GOP in 2020, if they go full white nationalist again.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#137446: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:25:57 PM

[up]There's also that. We might not have Trump but I doubt the Alt-Right is going away. Trump is only marginally more extreme than the average Republican anyway.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137447: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:26:01 PM

[up][up] If they're clever about it, they won't be as blatant, and will use the misdirection tactics favored by the alt-right to frame the left as a regressive, authoritarian force.

edited 6th Sep '16 6:26:17 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#137448: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:27:20 PM

The GOP already lost control of their base once. What makes you think it won't happen again? If anything Clinton will just provoke them into becoming more extreme and outspoken.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#137449: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:29:14 PM

This is of course assuming they get the voterbase back.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137450: Sep 6th 2016 at 6:30:40 PM

[up][up] Their base would absolutely eat such a person up; I'm talking people like the minds behind Breitbart; the ones who manage to spread the most vile ideologies imaginable out of one corner of their mouth while convincing a good many people that they're just standing up for "free speech" out of the other corner.

Ie, someone like Trump who would be aware of the time and the place to keep quiet.

edited 6th Sep '16 6:31:41 PM by CaptainCapsase


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