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edited 6th Sep '16 8:27:35 AM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."![]()
At the 1980 Republican Convention
, the candidates were:
- Ronald Reagan
- John B. Anderson
- George HW Bush (elected as Vice-President)
- John Connally
and Anne Armstrong
note
edited 6th Sep '16 8:48:10 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnSo Roger Ailes and FNC settled with Gretchen Carlson for $20 million.
...and effective immediately, Greta Van Sustren is out, Brit Hume is taking over her spot until the end of the election but he's already semi-retired and has no interest in keeping the spot, so there is gonna be a rush for her timeslot.
A Trump-run Fox News Channel post-Ailes would be catastrophically disastrous for the entire Western Hemisphere.
edited 6th Sep '16 10:44:51 AM by Mario1995
"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam GallagherThey've put Clinton on the authoritarian right? /sigh
Do they know that ISideWith matches Clinton's and Stein's political positions almost perfectly? Not that that's particularly accurate, either, but the sheer idiocy of the journalism around this election has me very worried — perhaps more so than the election itself.
edited 6th Sep '16 12:49:00 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Although I dare say this quote from ![]()
might have truth in it:
That's definitely true, but it makes no sense to compare politics in 1952 and politics today when it comes to placement on the political spectrum. By point of illustration, Eisenhower didn't mess with tax rates because to do so was toxic at the time even for Republicans. It took decades of persistent and subtle erosion for taxes to get down to where they are now.
It feels as if these folks want to blame Democrats for the shifting of the Overton Window, which is again one of those partial truths that obscures what's really going on. It's not like Trump's going to raise taxes...
edited 6th Sep '16 1:02:07 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"RE: Obama and the Phillipines, I caught wind of that last night and, sadly, decided to open up a comment thread from a Trump page - every one of them were either against Obama via "We shouldn't interfere", or against him in "At least Duterte's doing something about the drug problem!"
The latter of which left me cross-eyed - because holy goddamned fucking shit Duterte has basically created a real-world version of Judge Dredd except worse, as even civilians are being encouraged to enact vigilante justice.
As for the Pharmaceutical companies and Mega Corps in general, one aspect of criminal justice I'd love to see come back - proportional punishment. As in when there's a financial punishment for a crime - whether it's a speeding ticket or embezzlement - have it be in direct proportion to the person's take-home pay. In the case of an LLC, direct proportion to the previous year's reported (Net) earnings. While I can't really foresee it being done, doing it would definitely deter companies from that kind of behavior.
edited 6th Sep '16 1:35:59 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"In comparison with the 88 military figures backing Trump, Romney got the support of 500.
I don't think that political spectrum graph is necessarily wrong, just not really to scale; if authoritarian is taken as the converse of libertarian (not the ideology, the political dimension) rather than as a synonym for totalitarian, it doesn't look particularly that unreasonable.
Even Clinton being to the right of Trump isn't unreasonable; while fascism is typically associated with the right, actual fascist regimes implemented bizzare mixtures of right wing and left wing policies. They were very consistently authoritarian, but not consistently right or left much of the time. In a similar vein, Trump has said all sorts of things, some quite moderate, some arguably left leaning. Authoritarianism is the most consistent thing about him.
Also note that their "right" and "left" axis is economic, with neoliberalism on the right and communism on the left.
In a book on museums and globalization, I found a reference to an an ideological schema laid out in 2001
on the worldview neoliberalism presents, and it's not hard to see how relevant it is now.
On one side, the State: constraint, closed, rigid, immobile/fossilized, past/outdated, stasis, group/lobby/holism/collectivism, uniformity/artificiality, autocratic ("totalitarian"); local.
And on the other, the Market: freedom, open, flexible, dynamic/moving/self-transforming, future/novelty, growth, individual/individualism, diversity/authenticity, democratic; global.
Obviously, there are a lot of complications added to this by US politics in particular, regarding the role of government/free market. But with a movement that prides itself in its lack of diversity, love of authoritarianism, and desire to "take our country back," Trump has managed to bring the Republicans more in line with the former set of principles (at least in appearance) compared to prior candidates.
edited 6th Sep '16 2:43:45 PM by Eschaton
And on the other, the Market: freedom, open, flexible, dynamic/moving/self-transforming, future/novelty, growth, individual/individualism, diversity/authenticity, democratic; global.
Some epic-grade bias right there...
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

Thanks. Over whom did they choose him? Who was the primary opponent who was "the devout farmer/naval officer/Sunday school teacher who helped the poor and went on to wipe out entire diseases in Africa"?Ah, I read it wrong. If I got it right this time, it was actually about the Religious Right choosing Reps over Dems; I thought it was about the Religious Right + Reps choosing the wrong candidate in the 1980 Republican primaries.
edited 6th Sep '16 8:21:44 AM by Medinoc
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."