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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137351: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:31:32 PM

If we're dealing in theoretical punishments, let's look at the actual law. The penalties for extortion that involves putting a "person in fear of death or of grievous hurt" is minimum 7 years and maximum life and may include fines and forfeiture of property.

The other thorny problem, however, is that it's hard to put a corporation in jail since part of the purpose of a corporation is to limit the liability of any given individual in it.

edited 5th Sep '16 3:33:08 PM by Elle

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#137352: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:31:34 PM

[up]X3 And fundemental destroying any notion that the justice system is fair or that anything apart from a lack of popularity is required to have someone dragged from their home and threatened with execution.

Say hello to total chaos, the justice system would have no moral authority and mob rule would quickly take over.

Not worth it in my book.

[up]X2 That requires a crime to have been commited and a person to have been found guilty in a fair and just court of law, that's not what's being proposed, mob rule is what's being proposed.

edited 5th Sep '16 3:32:46 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#137353: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:33:50 PM

[up]Seems like we aren't envisioning the same scenario. We're talking The Green Mile, not Mississippi Burning.

edited 5th Sep '16 3:35:51 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137354: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:35:58 PM

Unfortunately, unless the law is changed, Burning Mississippi is what you'd get. (Psst, you need the Film namespace in that link.)

edited 5th Sep '16 3:36:54 PM by Elle

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#137355: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:37:48 PM

I'm envisioning what would happen if you dragged prominent figures from their homes when they've done nothing illegal and threatened them with serious punishment for something that we said they could do.

You destroy the entire justice system when you do that, not only do you turn the person dragged out into a hero but you also set the precedent for lynch mobs across the country. Why should Jerry Redneck and his racist buddies care about evidence or due process when it comes to punishing the black boy who slept with his daughter, after all, nobody bothered with due process or evidence when it came to punishing the drug CE Os?

edited 5th Sep '16 3:41:48 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#137356: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:50:39 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#137357: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:54:24 PM

" They're for-profit corporations — their only purpose is to make money, not win popularity contests. "

Winning popularity contests is key to making money. Hence, PR.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#137358: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:55:08 PM

In my perspective, it sets a precedent that if you do these things and are rich, we will more harshly punish you than if you were some everyman.

We expect more from you, so if you do this, the penalties will be severe.

Just as well I'd be all for lethal punishment of those hypothetical rednecks.

As it is, justice is toothless when it comes to the rich and famous.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#137359: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:01:09 PM

Winning popularity contests is key to making money. Hence, PR.
Not when you have a captive market — eg, literally "buy our stuff or die".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#137360: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:02:43 PM

And if everyone hates them, so what?

Change through government intervention only happens if people vote for such a government. Shaming them is influencing the public, which in turn influences politics.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137361: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:07:36 PM

[up] Or "write to the government official most likely to be able to push movement forward on the issue".

Thinking about it, I wonder if either the state or federal atourney general actually could get criminal extortion charges to stick.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#137362: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:19:59 PM

[up][up]My point is that "corporations are evil, you should hate them" is a dumb, roundabout way to get to that point, and also feeds into anti-vaxxers and others such stupidity. If "corporations are acting against the public interest and need strong government regulation to bring them to heel" is your ultimate message, then just say that, don't act like "corporations are evil, you should hate them, the end" is a useful message in and of itself.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#137363: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:38:12 PM

Martin Shkreli needs to have his smug, smarmy face rearranged with a lead-cored baseball bat, just on general principles. His being an evil, money-grubbing asshole is incidental.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137364: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:55:21 PM

[up][up]Getting nuanced points of view out of comedic satire is not the easiest thing in the world, that is admittedly true. But blaming stuff like the anti-vax movement on such is probably over simplistic. And as the video itself goes, I took far more exception to the strawman Corrupt Corporate Executive in the movie Avatar. Some bits of the Cracked video were one-sided but none of it is untrue.

edited 5th Sep '16 5:56:31 PM by Elle

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#137365: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:36:29 PM

In other news, Phyllis Schlafly died.

I don't want to be tasteless, but I can't say I'll miss her.

edited 5th Sep '16 7:36:47 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137367: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:40:03 PM

Anti feminist from the 70s, fought the Equal Rights Act, all around conservative scumbag.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#137368: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:40:44 PM

Conservative activist, stauch anti-feminist. Helped defeat the Equal Rights Amendment.

[nja]

edited 5th Sep '16 7:40:56 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#137369: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:58:32 PM

And her son's still around running Conservapedia.

hamza678 Red Like Santa from Christmas Beacon. Since: Apr, 2013
Red Like Santa
#137370: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:05:20 PM

Conservapedia must be read to be believed. They think relativity is a liberal plot, and they have an "Atheism and obesity" article.

I'm not too sad about her death. Didn't she make a career out of saying women shouldn't have careers?

Now known as Cyber Controller
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#137371: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:10:12 PM

That does seem to have been the crux of her existence, yes.

Oh God! Natural light!
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#137372: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:36:55 PM

Well, she makes another great case for "The good ones die young" saying.

Inter arma enim silent leges
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#137373: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:40:16 PM

Look, I'm not one to say let's not speak ill of the dead, but there's also no need to be tasteless about this.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#137375: Sep 5th 2016 at 9:28:10 PM

Well, if there is an afterlife, hopefully she gets the comeuppance she's more than earned.

The world is better off without her, but the damage she's done isn't going away soon. Nor are those who picked up her torch.

edited 5th Sep '16 9:29:04 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

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