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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#137101: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:45:30 PM

Even horrendous political views can be expressed civilly. It doesn't make them less horrible, though.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#137102: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:48:50 PM

@sil: I did in fact holler and have yet to receive a reply although I expect the last few pages to purged no matter how the ruling falls.

@witchhuntcomment: I tend to to keep away from the role of inquisitor but I feel like I'm in bizarro land. Like he literally says he doesn't believe there's racists and in the very next paragraph says trump is tapping into "white identity politics" which is the most PC way someone can say appealing to racists. The rest of the megapost is somehow even more obviously trolling right into bringing up fucking gamergate out of nowhere and whining about sjws.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#137103: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:49:41 PM

Yeah Wicked Cultured is defined by both its elements.

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#137104: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:49:47 PM

I can, because 16-18 years ago, it's something I might have said. Ultimately, it's the biggest hurdle that any awareness campaign has to overcome: It's easy to overlook how many people's lives a problem might affect when it doesn't affect yours.

He's said he's under the LGBT umbrella so, y'know, that's odd. But I can still understand the sentiment.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137105: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:51:27 PM

[up]No offense Tobias, but from everything you've said about yourself sixteen years ago, he doesn't sound like somebody I would consider civil or want to have a conversation with.

I mean, I'm thrilled that's not you anymore, obviously, and I always enjoy conversing with your current self, but prior!you doesn't sound fun to be around.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:03:58 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#137106: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:55:48 PM

Dude, I just don't understand how anyone can, in good faith, declare that Trump, who has insulted or angered nearly every single allied nation he's visited, who has spoken both in support of and then against the same issue and then back again in a matter of days, who has accepted political support from Neo-nazis, who displays all the signs of classical narcissism, who champions a party whose first priority is to undermine the rights of minorities, women, the lgbt, and the poor, even if they don't admit it, who proposes to exclude people from immigration to this county based on race and religion,

who has done so many other awful things,

is a remotely viable candidate for presidency.

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edited 2nd Sep '16 3:57:40 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#137107: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:57:24 PM

This article that someone linked earlier sums up every reason he shouldn't be president pretty well.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137108: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:04:14 PM

[up]I'm the one who posted that. Sadly I think they've missed a few things.

Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#137109: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:08:12 PM

Boy, I'm struggling not to bring up that term to describe the thread right now. Anyhows, try not to get discouraged madfoot, you'll find lots of disagreement here but I'm sure a variety in opinions here would do good.

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#137110: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:10:43 PM

Here's another lovely piece of filth from the Trump campaign, this time for Mike Pence

Shit like this is why I'm not out publicly. Just to friends and family.

If I have to live a secret life just to get by something is fucked up.

I don't know what the fuck my employers would do if they knew.

I wouldn't vote Republican (or any other sort of neo-conservative) if the only other choice was a dog.

@Mad: I violently disagree with nearly all of your stances

however, you have been very calm and patient and you have been civil, if somewhat dismissive, so you are good in my book. I DO hope you stay.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:12:40 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137111: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:13:08 PM

[up]"Vote for the dog. It's important."

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#137112: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:15:12 PM

The last Clinton presidency was a pretty sweet deal. Call it Nostalgia Filter if you want, but the Clinton Era was a good time.

Of course, that was before I knew anything about lgbt politics, or the economy, or anything.

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#137113: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:18:27 PM

Well, yeah. Madfoot's wrong about, like, everything. But he's politely wrong, is the point, so we should be politely right.

We gain nothing from being mean. If anything, overt hostility only vindicates the view some would have of us as belligerent SJWs trying to oppress the world through political correctness and public shaming.

The moment you start throwing punches, any opportunity for educating vanishes.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:20:07 PM by TobiasDrake

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#137114: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:19:47 PM

[up]Would condescension be considered impolite?

[up]edit: I dunno, a good brawl is how a lot of folks make friends. Just ask any mercenary sitting around in Skyrim's taverns ;D

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:22:26 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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#137115: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:20:47 PM

Also remember that we are a public forum. Madfoot's not the only person who's going to read our posts. Any number of people could be watching this discussion and forming opinions of Trump and Clinton supporters based on how we interact with Madfoot.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#137116: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:21:18 PM

You know, I've noticed that there are a plethora of rightful complaints against that wig host. So much, in fact, that I have to wonder: if Trump never ran in the first place, which of the Republican candidates this year would people (or just us) have chosen or wanted? And would any of them be better then Hillary Clinton, at the very least personally?

Food for thought.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:24:50 PM by fredhot16

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#137117: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:23:41 PM

Romney again, only honestly instead of just championing his party platform.

This year, when he didn't have to represent the RP, he was actually a very intelligent dude.

Also, isn't the national healthcare system Obama implemented modelled after something Romney drafted for his state?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#137118: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:24:35 PM

", I got accused of being a troll in the RWBY thread. Me. Everyone knows me."

Mostly because you come as to focus in your post and the RWBY thread have been soft on that

"I fail to see how writing off gay rights as a "minor culture war" qualifies as civil, frankly."

Because he didnt try to insult people, it was a opinion and he seen to actualy express it in that way, as tobias said, it was a little bit of "We are right therefore we can said in the tone we want" which happen a lot with Trump soporters.

anyway I just want to respond something

"the Mexican president who accepted such help would be seen as a pariah and their party would lose support among the population"

Really? I mean at this point Nieto is pretty much a cartoon villian...and so all mexican politician right now, I cant graps how you can get worst than that(granted is Latin america, that never fault to surprise me)

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#137119: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:25:22 PM

If Trump hadn't run, we'd probably just have Ted Cruz, his closest rival in the Primary. Which would be just as bad, really.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137120: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:26:04 PM

@Tobias: To elaborate, I hold the beliefs he's expressing to be fundamentally assholeish but he himself is being civil. So I'm not joining those calling for the mods.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#137121: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:26:40 PM

[up][up]How so?

Personally...I don't really know. One of my brothers would have gone for Jeb Bush, however.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:26:58 PM by fredhot16

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#137122: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:29:10 PM

Since I'm not American, I've got a question about Colin Kaepernick. I'm seeing in the news that apparently his refusal to stand for the American flag during the American national anthem is regarded as insulting/disrespecting the military, and he's had to field questions to explain that's not what he's doing and now he's changed his position to a kneel to be more respectful to the military.

My question is... why is there a connection between standing for the anthem and military respect and why is that connection automatic?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#137123: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:32:06 PM

Yeah just gonna have to N'th what Tobias says about the civility thing. Also I don't think this guy is a troll. If he was then he'd probably be more over-the-top about it, since trolls are about upsetting people, and I don't mean in the "people with this opinions existing upsets me" kind of way.

To other people, you could afford to tone it down a little. I get that you're passionate about these issues, and I agree with you politically, but tone matters. Don't Shoot the Message. If there's no way for you to word your opinion without coming off as polemic then you should reconsider it.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:36:04 PM by AlleyOop

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#137124: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:32:39 PM

[up][up]Cruz is hardline fundamentalist/Tea Party, with the flavors of reality denial that entails. His environment, LGBT and immigration stances would barely be an improvement and he doesn't care terribly much about that "separation of church and state" thing.

@Wyld - There's only a connection in the minds of certain uber-nationalist people. To steal from the comment I just heard from across the room where I'm setting, the right to protest is very much included in the rights veterans have fought for.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:38:52 PM by Elle

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#137125: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:33:44 PM

[up][up][up][up] Ted Cruz is the guy who nearly crashed the US government and filibustered at least twice when it would do more harm than good for his cause. The thing about Cruz is that he has a very specific end goal in mind, and it shuts out everyone who isn't part of his very specific brand of pre-millennial dispensationalist Christianity.

[nja]

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:34:07 PM by Zendervai


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