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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#137051: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:28:56 PM

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I don't care about minor culture war issues such as LGBT as much

And calling LGBT issues "minor" isn't helping either given that these are things that affect thousands of people, and talking about it like it's some trivial thing isn't very liable to endear people to your position. For someone talking about empathy it feels very tone-deaf.

edited 3rd Sep '16 9:20:35 AM by Berrenta

madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137052: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:29:59 PM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/opinion/campaign-stops/crying-wolf-then-confronting-trump.html?referer=http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/01/democrats-cried-wolf-mitt-romney-now-regret/

Here's an article by a Democratic campaign veteran saying a similar thing to what I'm saying. They said so many outrageous things about recent Republican candidates, like Romney, that they pretty much have nowhere else to go except "You're Hitler". And if you're like me, who thinks Romney was a much worse candidate than Trump, it's impossible for what they say to have any sway on you. (I think most Americans hate Romney much more than Trump)

Seriously, it's hilarious to see them heap praise on Romney, Boehner, and Bush now just so they can bash Trump.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#137053: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:30:12 PM

Uh, I just want to say that the Alt-right? Their core really is Neo-nazis. That's not exaggeration or anything, it's totally literal.

The thing that (aside from personality issues and beliefs) that completely turns me off Trump is that he's said that his success in business is what indicates that he would be a good president. Except that he doesn't have success in business. The hotels with Trump in the name? They just licensed his name. He doesn't actually run them. And the stuff he ran himself invariably collapsed, usually for either stupid or totally avoidable problems, like selling steaks at an appliance store or starting up a short-range luxury airline in 2008 after the recession started. The only thing he's at all successful in is New York and New Jersey real estate, and he's actually a really minor player in those arenas. The really big names (like the Rockefellers) don't care about publicity, so Trump looks a lot bigger than he is. And, of course, real estate doesn't actually work like any other businesses.

[up] I just think Romney was kind of fake, Boehner was between a rock and a hard place, and Bush meant well, but he wasn't all that bright.

edited 2nd Sep '16 2:32:22 PM by Zendervai

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137054: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:35:15 PM

Also the "minor culture wars" you think LGBT rights are? That determines the safety of thousands of peope in this country. My friends, my family, they could be seriously hurt by these policies. Trump has talked about barring people like me from using restrooms, and taking away my right to get married.

And that's not even getting into what could happen if the clinton foundation or planned parenthood get shut down.

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#137055: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:35:37 PM

Oooooh boy, this is gonna get fun. *Grabs popcorn.

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#137056: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:40:37 PM

Gamergate is a banned subject, don't mention it unless you want to get thumped folks, it's banned forum wide, just no.

We don't need or want that fight here.

edited 2nd Sep '16 2:44:20 PM by Silasw

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madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137057: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:41:58 PM

"Political correctness" is mostly a buzzword these days from people who just want to say whatever they want with no consequences. I'm all for more empathy, even among people you disagree or dislike, but it's hard to have much sympathy for someone who wants to say whatever they want without having people call them out on something that was potentially really rude and disrespectful.

Also GG is a banned topic here so I won't get into that, but I will say that making an appeal to that is really not doing you any favors.

Okay, then you'll really hate when I say I was one of the people on Wizardchan months before Gamergate happened. >_> We never raided Zoe Quinn, but the media lied and said we did. Most anons shrugged it off and waited for it to go away, but it actually shook me up a lot at the time, as embarrassing as it is to say. I follow politics a lot and so I'm pretty invested in it, but it was the first time an SJW invaded somewhere that was a "safe space" for me and made me feel really uncomfortable.

It's embarrassing to admit this, but it's always nice to get it off my chest.

As for the political correctness thing, it seems hypocritical since right now the left is defending Kaep against his critics, when you can just say they want him to "face no consequences for his actions", which is ridiculous. The difference is he won't lose his job or face academic sanctions consequences, like many people have over the years, and unlike him not all of them are rich or famous. That has a serious impact on someone's life.

He might get harassed online, but that's happened a lot over the years to people on the left and right and I don't like how SJ Ws ignored it when it happened to people on the right. It would've been so easy to reach out and champion both sides, yet it never happened. The idea that over and over again everyone on the opposite side of you who gets hit by PC just wants "the right to be an asshole without consequences" is just ridiculous, and is such a condescending attitude to take when people have valid concerns.

edited 2nd Sep '16 2:43:04 PM by madfoot

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#137058: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:43:53 PM

[up]Not all criticisms are equally valid and there's no reason to treat them as such.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137059: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:44:31 PM

What part of banned topic don't you get?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137060: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:47:59 PM

So looking over madfoot's response(s), they support Trump because they are exactly the sort of bigot that he appeals to. And here I was hoping for something a little more interesting.

Seriously, dismissing LGBT issues as minor culture wars? Pretending the cesspool of misogyny and racism that is the alt-right isn't an issue? Jeez.

edited 2nd Sep '16 2:48:27 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#137061: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:48:35 PM

I had just started to break down your post point by point but then i came to

But my grandfather, who died before I was born, and was either 0th or 1st generation immigrant, said Syrians were crazy and didn't want anymore of them coming over here. And that was decades before Cologne and Paris!

Your grandpa said this often did he? Did he whisper it from beyond the grave? Or did he whisper this into your dads ballsack considering you claim to be 23. Honestly if you're going to write up a fucking trollpost put some gooddamn effort into it.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137062: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:48:52 PM

Also the "minor culture wars" you think LGBT rights are? That determines the safety of thousands of peope in this country. My friends, my family, they could be seriously hurt by these policies. Trump has talked about barring people like me from using restrooms, and taking away my right to get married.

And that's not even getting into what could happen if the clinton foundation or planned parenthood get shut down.

I identify as LGBT, and I have two gay uncles too, one of whom died before I was born. It's a part of my family too. The other uncle, I rarely talk to, but I overheard my dad talking to him on the phone after Orlando, and it was something on his mind too. Not all of us put as much stock into those issues as everyone else, especially when they're already settled. There's not much chance of Obergefell getting overturned, in my estimation, and I actually don't agree with the ruling itself, on the same grounds as Justice Roberts. Plus, I live in New York anyway, which is the best state in the world.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137063: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:52:02 PM

Yes, the fact that I can get branded a sex offender in North Carolina is perfectly fine! Nothing needs to be changed! The fact that I can be fired in multiple states because I'm trans is just hunky dory!

This shit is not settled. It's a fight that's still happening, as evidenced by how Republicans are trying to make conversion therapy legal nation wide.

madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137064: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:53:57 PM

Your grandpa said this often did he? Did he whisper it from beyond the grave? Or did he whisper this into your dads ballsack considering you claim to be 23. Honestly if you're going to write up a fucking trollpost put some gooddamn effort into it.

No, I heard it from my mom and dad lots of times, especially in the last year. My mom died in the beginning of this year and I heard a lot about her side of the family through the month of Janruary (before she died).

Is it really that hard for you to believe? Everyone's always so quick to assume troll. I didn't tell you about my grandma's Syrian rice (she was Irish) and I'm not going to tell you the rest of my life story, out of fear of doxing, but I'm sick of arguing all the time on the other political forum I go to. I'm practically pouring my heart out here.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#137065: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:54:34 PM

So you don't believe SCOTUS should have legalized gay marriage? Why not?

Oh really when?
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#137066: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:55:32 PM

A Trump presidency wouldn't just be dangerous to several minority groups in America. But he will be very dangerous to the Global community as a whole.

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madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137067: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:56:06 PM

What part of banned topic don't you get?

I'll stop talking about it now, but I felt like I had to say something, or you'll assume I'm "another gamergater". I'm not some crazy or assholish person, I just have different views.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#137068: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:57:19 PM

Yeah, my original post referenced that and I just edited out since I realized that would just prolong the subject.

As for the political correctness thing, it seems hypocritical since right now the left is defending Kaep against his critics, when you can just say they want him to "face no consequences for his actions", which is ridiculous. The difference is he won't lose his job or face academic sanctions consequences, like many people have over the years, and unlike him not all of them are rich or famous. That has a serious impact on someone's life.

Ok, so I wasn't really aware of who this person you're referencing is, but just to be clear, we're talking about Colin Kaepernick, right?

From what I'm reading, there was some controversy over him wearing socks with cartoon pig cops on them and he also refused to stand during a national anthem during some game? I will admit that I don't really know much about football or a lot of the culture surrounding it, but here's my two cents based on what i've read:

I would say that the former is in bad taste at best and only more liable to strain relationships between police officers and their communities. There is certainly a problem with the way certain police officers act in regards to how they treat certain racial minorities, but being a player for a big sport and wearing something like that does nothing to make things better and he should have thought of that.

As for the latter, I would not necessarily have done it but upon reading why he did it, I can at least understand why. It's sort of hard to pledge your allegiance to a country that doesn't seem to care much about you or is outright hostile to you simply because of your ethnicity or sexual orientation, and I think we do need more important people talking about those problems even if not necessarily in this way. Exactly what "critics" are you talking about and what "repercussions" should he suffer for it?

He might get harassed online, but that's happened a lot over the years to people on the left and right and I don't like how SJ Ws ignored it when it happened to people on the right. It would've been so easy to reach out and champion both sides, yet it never happened. The idea that over and over again everyone on the opposite side of you who gets hit by PC just wants "the right to be an asshole without consequences" is just ridiculous, and is such a condescending attitude to take when people have valid concerns.

Just so I understand what you're saying: how exactly do you define "political correctness" and exactly what do you mean when you say someone is being hit by it? Because I'm not really sure I understand what you're saying.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137069: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:57:28 PM

Gay rights is a settled issue? Have you read the Republican platform? The one that wants to force people into gay conversion therapy?

Looking over the screed from the last page, the anti-immigration stuff is really special. So's the attempt at trying to paint Trump as pro-gay rights. And of course writing off BLM and similar movements as "identity politics" and blaming the Democrats for the racists crawling out of the woodwork. Yeesh.

There's just nothing to say to that. Talking to someone who is wrong on an issue is doable. Talking to someone who is wrong about that many fundamental issues is not. If those goes on too long I'm going to suggest that everyone just holler for the mods.

edited 2nd Sep '16 2:58:55 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137070: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:59:04 PM

So you don't believe SCOTUS should have legalized gay marriage? Why not?

I don't like how vague and subjective their reasoning was, and the states' rights strategy was already working better than anyone could've expected, where more than half already legalized it on their own. As Justice Roberts said, the victory for LGBT people is worth celebrating, but it was a bad say for the Constitution.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#137071: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:59:08 PM

Yeah I'm also confused about the political correctness thing. Could you sorta elaborate on that?

[up]Well I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree on that, I don't believe in the concept of State's Rights at all. It's been nothing but a method for bigots to stonewall the spread of human rights throughout our nation's history.

edited 2nd Sep '16 3:00:24 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137072: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:00:47 PM

"All men are created equal".

How does me being able to get married go against the constitution exactly? Because that line right there seems to apply to my sharing the right to wed.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#137073: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:01:21 PM

your only other activity is A: trying to put troll bait onto the donald trump page and B: getting edit banned for posting YMMY trolly bait years go. your the most obvious troll to have ever trolled and I can only assume your still here because the mods are asleep.

@everyone else: seriously the bait is so obvious guys, ignore him.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#137074: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:01:44 PM

Was the cry of states' rights ever more than a political dog whistle?

And you can't really say you have differing opinions as a defense when you are effectively belittling many issues important to people for deeply personal reasons.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137075: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:03:39 PM

State's rights...the argument that started in the Civil War to make the case for keeping slavery. Always a position you want to appeal to.

I've always been fascinated by the degree to which the USA has allowed the losing side of their internal schism to set the agenda going forward. The entire concept of state's rights has done little but retard the development of social progress throughout the country. You cannot have a nation where a marriage recognized in one state, is invalid in another.

your only other activity is A: trying to put troll bait onto the donald trump page and B: getting edit banned for posting YMMY trolly bait years go. your the most obvious troll to have ever trolled and I can only assume your still here because the mods are asleep.

That about settles that then.

edited 2nd Sep '16 3:04:45 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar


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