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SpaceWolf from The Other Rainforest Since: Apr, 2012
#137026: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:12:12 PM

If he is included in the debates, do you think he'll pull more voters away from Trump, or from Clinton?

I'll hazard to say that Johnson would pull more voters from Trump. Despite (or perhaps due to) being a Libertarian, Johnson is more traditionally conservative than Trump. He'd be the safer choice for the mainstream right. It's true that he's relatively strong on social liberalism, but he's financially conservative.

edited 2nd Sep '16 12:22:01 PM by SpaceWolf

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madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137027: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:34:46 PM

Will I get banned for supporting Trump?

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#137028: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:35:27 PM

[up] No, but we'd call you a idiot.

madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#137030: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:39:30 PM

[up] I think the worst you can expect outside outright rudeness is genuine wondering of why you'd support Donald Trump, and multiple attempts to convince you not to.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#137031: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:41:15 PM

We won't call you an idiot but will ask that you be civil and we will likely as a group question you as to why you support Trump and engage in an evidence based debate with you as to your logic.

If you can't express your support for Trump in a civil manner than you may well get into trouble.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137032: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:42:39 PM

I would ask you why you support the candidate who has plans to round up as many Mexicans and Muslims as possible.

I would ask you why you support his platform, which calls for gay parents to lose their children, trans people to be barred from using the bathroom, and put gay kids in ex gay camps.

I would ask you why you support the candidate who mocks the disabled, the Jewish, Black people, and women.

I would ask you why you support the man who thinks we should kill civilians in Arabic countries and launch nuclear warheads at our enemies.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#137033: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:43:36 PM

There's not a lot of love for Trump in this thread, other than for how much easier he makes Clinton's job of getting elected.

madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137034: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:44:39 PM

I'll hazard to say that Johnson would pull more voters from Trump. Despite (or perhaps due to) being a Libertarian, Johnson is more traditionally conservative than Trump. He'd be the safer choice for the mainstream right. It's true that he's relatively strong on social liberalism, but he's financially conservative.
I didn't believe it, until I saw this new viral video about him freaking out about the phrase, "illegal immigrant". There's no way a lot of Trump supporters or conservatives are going to go for someone obsessed with being PC. I didn't think it would work, but it seems like his main focus is going after disaffected Bernie Bros and Democrats.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-xlmU9LvtAs

Well, I voted for him in 2012, so I'm quite happy he's not going to take away as many votes from my preferred candidate as I thought.

P.S. Is there a quote button?

edited 2nd Sep '16 12:45:39 PM by madfoot

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#137035: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:45:06 PM

[up][up][up]Is that actually his platform or just the Republican party's super horrible one? Not that I expect his own to be any better but he has he actually said he's for all of that? Well, the first part goes without saying since he's basically based his campaign on it.

edited 2nd Sep '16 12:45:44 PM by LSBK

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#137036: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:45:54 PM

Seriously I gotta ask, why Trump?

Oh really when?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137037: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:48:14 PM

And we have ourselves a Trump supporter. This oughta get real interesting real fast.

Speaking of Trump Maddow on Trump as another iteration of the Know-Nothing movement.

Oh, and in further BS from the Internet left, TYT is trying to spin the Mexico trip as a "big win for Trump". With who, I might ask?

[up]The crack about Johnson being "too PC" leaves me with my suspicions but I guess we'll find out.

edited 2nd Sep '16 12:50:01 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
El Cid
#137038: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:51:09 PM

Maybe Mexicans would be less eager to hop the border if the US were to get rid of the cartels and crumbling infrastructure? Just saying...
If I recall correctly, the US has offered to help Mexico deal with the drug cartels, but the government here cannot publicly accept the help without angering half the country.

As I've said before, Mexico is the Walder Frey of the world, living to brood over all the slights its suffered including the Texas incident in the 1830's, the 1846 war, the 1914 invasion of Veracruz, the 1917 incidents, the 1938 trade embargo, the sinking of one of our ships in 1941, the Falklands mess in the 80's, and the Fast and Furious fiasco. To name a few.

Mexicans never forget and never forgive. [lol]

So yeah, though it's in everyone's best interest to accept the help and deal with the cartels now, the Mexican president who accepted such help would be seen as a pariah and their party would lose support among the population. For obvious reasons, no one is willing to take such a risk.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137039: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:53:30 PM

the Falklands mess in the 80's

We talking about a different Falklands? Because the one I'm thinking of was Argentina vs Britain.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#137040: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:58:02 PM

It's the platform the Republican party agreed on at the RNC. As far as I'm concerned, it's his platform

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137041: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:03:18 PM

He hasn't objected to it, anyway. And his own comments are as bad or worse.

Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
El Cid
#137042: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:04:45 PM

We talking about a different Falklands? Because the one I'm thinking of was Argentina vs Britain.
Yup, the same one.

In short, Mexico believed the US should have sided with Argentina because of the Rio Treaty. Since the US didn't (for obvious reasons)note , Mexico used that as "proof" that the treaty was a failure AND when the US invoked it after 9/11, the Mexican government argued that the treaty was created to serve only the US with no regard for the other countries in the continent(s) and they refused to help in Irak, and they even withdrew from the treaty.

Ahem... my country can be really petty. sad

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137043: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:08:03 PM
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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#137044: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:10:21 PM

TYT is trying to spin the Mexico trip as a "big win for Trump". With who, I might ask?
With Trump, obviously. His personal victories are central to his entire image, which his supporters then rally behind.

The Mexico trip was a win for Trump, as it was a loss for Nieto. It accomplished nothing other than being an photo op and ego boost for Trump, and Nieto fell for it. The immigration speech hours later further proved how irrelevant the venture was, beyond showing again how Trump does know how to pretend to be nice.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#137045: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:11:05 PM

[up]The speech more or less killed any good will that our least favourite orangutan had gotten from the trip.

A look at all the BS that's been said about the Clinton Foundation.

edited 2nd Sep '16 1:31:25 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#137046: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:47:13 PM

If the US tried to intervene in Mexico they would need to get the Mexican government's permission first or else be accused of big-stick imperialism no matter how good the outcome. And apparently the Mexican government has refused it, so the US can't (legally) do anything about it even if they want to because the backlash wouldn't be worth it.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#137047: Sep 2nd 2016 at 1:55:25 PM

@137031 Yeah Cid that really is pathetic. I don't think some Mayans consider themsleves Mexican though? I know its off topic

edited 2nd Sep '16 2:02:02 PM by Xopher001

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#137048: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:12:05 PM

Well, my impression was that Trump's Mexico trip was supposed to be an attempt at being presidential ... only to then go back to his usual self a few days later.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#137049: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:12:38 PM

[up] The same day, as soon as he was back in the USA.

Keep Rolling On
madfoot Since: Aug, 2011
#137050: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:12:39 PM
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