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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#137002: Sep 2nd 2016 at 6:10:42 AM

I wish we had the same kind of "Anger Translator" Obama had during one of his speeches, except with Trump in Mexico.

Obviously, Trump's Anger Translator would be an overweight, bald, middle-aged, tiny-handed White man using monosyllables.

edited 2nd Sep '16 6:10:59 AM by Julep

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#137003: Sep 2nd 2016 at 6:15:17 AM

[up][up]Trump: "The Mexican President and I have different views."

Translation: "The [CHARACTERIZATION DELETED] wouldn't kiss my ass, like my staff always does. I don't like that country; there's too many foreigners in it."

edited 2nd Sep '16 6:24:41 AM by pwiegle

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#137004: Sep 2nd 2016 at 6:38:08 AM

Follow-up to Colin Kaepernick refusing to stand for the anthem: he took a knee instead of a seat for the anthem yesterday at the Niners' final preseason game at the San Diego Chargers. Kaepernick apparently changed tactics to be less disrespectful to armed services after a discussion from Nate Boyer, a former long-snapper specialist and Green Beret. He was joined by a teammate (Safety Eric Reid); up the coast in Oakland Seattle Seahawks cornerback Jeremy Lane also took a seat during the anthem.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#137005: Sep 2nd 2016 at 7:44:14 AM

Has Trump ever given a reason why he believes Mexico should pay for the wall? And any idea how he is going to make them pay for it?

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#137006: Sep 2nd 2016 at 7:53:40 AM

I'm not sure he's said exactly what his rationale is for Mexico paying, (presumably because of Mexico "exporting all their criminals and unwanted people" to the US, more cynically, so the tax haters can pretend that it won't cost them anything) the only method he's given for how he's going to do it is by intercepting and confiscating money wired home by undocumented workers. Either that pays for it or Mexico negotiates to prevent that income being cut off.

edited 2nd Sep '16 7:54:39 AM by TheWanderer

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#137007: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:01:39 AM

[up]...and just how he intends to keep track of all that undocumented income, is yet another one of his "brilliant ideas" that would require magic to achieve...

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#137008: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:16:12 AM

Only if he cares about accuracy. But if he/his advisors don't, they might just bullshit a large number and fine every Hispanic or vaguely Hispanic-looking person they can find based on this amount, then lock up and/or deport any who can't or won't pay, and hope that some "self-deport" for bonus removal.

And based on his stated agenda of ethnic cleansing, I would not put that past him.

edited 2nd Sep '16 8:17:47 AM by Balmung

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#137010: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:31:01 AM

I think the idea of making Mexico pay is simply "Keeping YOUR people in check is YOUR job." So in Trump's mind, the wall is doing the Mexican government's job, which means sending them the bill.

Of course, preventing people from leaving the country is actually what dictatorships do, which he either didn't realize, or doesn't care about.

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#137011: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:34:27 AM

I think Trump thinks that he will rely on confiscated money from illegal migrants from Mexico. Which in his mind is probably akin to "a bunch of drug dealers and thieves who probably all carry $100,000 in small notes". And in reality is probably more along the lines of "poor families who probably have just enough to pay for accomodation while they look for a job".

But he should get enough money by robbing migrants to build a three-inch high Lego wall.

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#137012: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:36:58 AM

For the Army and Marines, they both pull for Trump at about 5:4 margin. The Navy is split the other direction, and the Air Force is pretty even. According to a Military Times poll from ~6 weeks ago, anyway. However, just because people support voting for Trump doesn't mean they would defect and join some kind of insurgency or revolution.

IIRC, aren't soldiers even prohibited from making political statements of support for one candidate or another on grounds that they're expected to respect the Commander-in-Chief? I remember something about that from my stint in BCT, when our DS was explaining that you don't talk to the press because a statement from any soldier can be interpreted as being said on behalf of the military at large.

Like, you can think George W. Bush is a shithead, but for the eight years of Bush's presidency, you weren't allowed to say it in front of a camera.

The military is tightly disciplined. Like the person or not, the President is still the highest ranking officer of our combined armed forces, who are not about to run off en masse and start shooting up the country that even those of us who never actually made the cut still had to swear an oath to before we were even allowed to get on the bus, just because their candidate didn't win.

That or Trump's plan would consist of a national address stating "I have instructed the justice department to no longer investigate or prosecute crimes committed against suspected illegals, regardless of the severity of the crime", if he did that he'd simply have to sit back in the Trump House and let the KKK and similar do the work for him.

God, that would be a nightmare. Trump might think he can do that. I wouldn't put it past him. But he can't actually do that, which means it could easily tear the country apart between people who think that's an actual thing he can do - or are just using it as an excuse - and people who know better.

Jesus, the Clinton Campaign is going for the Jugular.

My favorite part is when, after his trip, he tried to curry favor and keep the Mexican President from calling out his blatant lies by passing out hats that said, "Make Mexico Great Again Also". [lol] Now THAT'S comedy.

Has Trump ever given a reason why he believes Mexico should pay for the wall? And any idea how he is going to make them pay for it?

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From the beginning, Trump's campaign has been run on a platform of fear and outrage, and part of that platform is saying things that make frightened, angry people scream, "HELL YEAH! WE GONNA DO THAT THING!" without actually grounding them in reality. The important thing isn't that there could ever be a way to make Mexico pay for the wall. The important thing is that "We'll make Mexico pay for the wall," is a soundbite that makes all his white nationalist voters squee.

As for why they should pay for it, there is logic to it but it's logic that only makes sense from the perspective of a Trump voter. You see, because all illegal immigrants are killers and rapists that Mexico deliberately sent into our country to destabilize our economy and ruin us, then we NEED a wall to protect us from them, and THEY need to pay for it because they created this mess in the first place.

That is actually how Trump and his ilk sees the immigration controversy.

edited 2nd Sep '16 8:38:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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#137013: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:53:40 AM

From what I've heard, Trump basically want to turn the Mexican Border into a Toll Crossing, with people paying every time they cross the border — and also that most of the Mexican Border is already fenced (or is along the line of a river).

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#137014: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:54:46 AM

I keep seeing articles saying that a majority of Americans think Gary Johnson should be included in the debates.

From what I also see, he needs 15% support for that to happen, and he's cracked 10%.

If he is included in the debates, do you think he'll pull more voters away from Trump, or from Clinton?

Clinton needs to win by greater than 50% to show the Trumpets that their worldview has been totally rejected. Not doing that would result in them thinking they have a real chance to take over the country, and it could cause big problems, not to mention that it runs the chance of Clinton being seen as illegitimate since she wouldn't have won an actual majority vote, even if she wins by a Trump/Johnson split.

I've also noticed Clinton is trying to give people more reasons to vote against Trump, rather than for her. That's not the sort of thing I think will drive much voter turnout.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#137015: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:55:06 AM

[up][up][up][up]IIRC, some of his speeches suggested he also wanted to "tax" money sent home by legal immigrants.

edited 2nd Sep '16 8:55:31 AM by Medinoc

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#137016: Sep 2nd 2016 at 8:59:54 AM

From what I've heard, Trump basically want to turn the Mexican Border into a Toll Crossing, with people paying every time they cross the border — and also that most of the Mexican Border is already fenced (or is along the line of a river).

It's funny 'cause that would actually encourage further illegal immigration by turning border patrol looking the other way into a profitable enterprise.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#137017: Sep 2nd 2016 at 9:43:44 AM

So the race has seemingly tightened when we include third parties, and the Libertarian support doesn't seem to be fading. I'm kinda beginning to expect a relatively (-3 or so) close Trump defeat which he will blame on the Libertarians "spoiling" the election, despite third parties collectively leeching more support from Clinton than Trump in most/many polls.

Which means the alt right will probably live on past this electoral cycle, much as I suspected.

edited 2nd Sep '16 9:45:19 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#137018: Sep 2nd 2016 at 9:45:43 AM

And we'd include third parties why? Like, I don't really know about the Republican Party self-destructing but you seem to almost want everything to be super narrow.

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#137019: Sep 2nd 2016 at 9:49:05 AM

I'm worried about the Vice Presidential Debate. Like, I'm sure Hillary will destroy Trump in the presidential debates, but I don't know if America's Step-Dad will be able to hold his own in the ring if Mike Pence goes full-offensive.

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#137020: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:09:27 AM

[up][up]I would think including third parties (or at least Johnson) would be more accurate since they are valid voting options in most if not all states.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#137021: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:30:00 AM

Reuters reports several top-level Trump staffers have gone unpaid, like Paul Manafort.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#137022: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:58:26 AM

If the goal for getting in is fifteen percent, I doubt Johnson's going to make it at this late date. I also kind of doubt he'll have that big an impact on the election.

[up] Pretty typical, given Trump.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#137023: Sep 2nd 2016 at 11:10:32 AM

Maybe Mexicans would be less eager to hop the border if the US were to get rid of the cartels and crumbling infrastructure? Just saying...

edited 2nd Sep '16 11:11:18 AM by Bat178

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#137024: Sep 2nd 2016 at 11:16:39 AM

[up]You keep saying these things as if you're saying something most of us don't already agree with.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#137025: Sep 2nd 2016 at 11:18:26 AM

Thought I'd post this story I heard about re: a whole other racist politician who got into hot water last week:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/26/patsy-capshaw-skipper-interim-midland-city-mayor-d/

Midland City, Alabama, interim Mayor Patsy Capshaw Skipper denied using a racial epithet to describe an opponent on Facebook this week and instead said hackers had likely compromised her account, local media reported Thursday.

Ms. Skipper, a Republican, has been in the hot seat ever since a screenshot appeared following her loss Tuesday when Midland elected its first African-American mayor ever, Jo Ann Bennett Grimsley.

“I lost. The ni**er won,” reads a comment purportedly posted through Ms. Skipper’s Facebook account following her loss. The post was originally accessible only to those on the interim mayor’s friend list and has since been deleted altogether, the Dothan Eagle reported.

Prior to then, however, WTVY News, a local CBS affiliate, said it had received dozens of screenshots of the comment.

When reached by the newspaper, Ms. Skipper denied having any part in the posting.

“My Facebook has been messed up for several weeks, and I haven’t been using it,” Ms. Skipper said. “I think I’ve been hacked.”

On the heels of undergoing recent heart surgery, Ms. Skipper added that Facebook “has been the least of my worries.”

Ms. Grimsley received 233 votes in Tuesday’s election to the interim mayor’s 148.

A third candidate, Lamar Spence, garnered 59 votes, the newspaper reported.

Asked by the newspaper to comment officially on her opponent’s win, Ms. Skipper said: “I hope she does a great job for the city, and I am very happy for her.”


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