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#136951: Sep 1st 2016 at 10:04:27 AM

The most substantial reason that isn't "fuck you, got mine" I've seen for these voters up until this very moment was that they believed that voting Republican would keep them well clear of any potential untowards consequences.

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#136952: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:11:27 AM

False Equivalence and the Golden Mean Fallacy is probably my most hate logical fallacy. That's the very first sign I will never EVER take your political opinions seriously.

Hell, I don't even view it as a Lesser of Two Evils. I view it as Black and White. Jedi vs Sith, Day vs Night,

Yeah. Every time we allow the argument to be framed as "The lesser of two evils," we are by definition validating the GOP's many assertions that Hillary is evil.

By accepting the narrative, we're conceding that everything they've ever said about her is true. And that, in turn, only fuels Trump supporters' belief that, at worst, Trump is the lesser of two evils because he's never done [insert thing Hillary is accused of here].

You don't beat a smear campaign by rolling around in the slime.

Assange is the guy hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in London (who are apparently sick of him) because he thinks the Swedes invented rape charges against him as a pretext for extraditing him to the USA.

That's a bit disingenuous. He doesn't think the Swedes invented the charges. He knows damned well if he's guilty or not. He claims the Swedes invented the charges.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#136953: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:15:11 AM

Fear, not excitement, driving Clinton and Trump supporters

Who is surprised by this?

Most Americans already doubt the integrity of both candidates. Fifty-nine percent say they don't think Clinton is honest and trustworthy, including nearly one-fourth of her own supporters. Sixty-one percent of those surveyed say they don't think Trump is honest and trustworthy, including one-fifth of his supporters.

Meanwhile, Americans are divided on whether Trump is a racist, a charge made by critics who cite his provocative rhetoric against Mexicans, Muslims and immigrants: 44% of those surveyed say they see him as a racist; 47% say he's not. Among African-Americans, more than eight in 10 say he's a racist, and among Hispanics, more than six in 10 agree. But a 54% majority of whites say he's not.

I think they want to believe that.

They have different opinions about the economy:

"I'm cognizant of the fact we are doing well here and perhaps not all parts of the country are doing as well as we are doing, but I'm seeing a roaring comeback" from the recession in Massachusetts, says Pamela Armstrong, 57, of Lexington, the communications manager for a nonprofit health insurer who supports Clinton. "On balance, I would say America's strong; it's focused. We have a lot of challenges around the world, but compared with what's going on around the world, we're still in very, very good condition."

Hartman, the retired rancher from Arizona who supports Trump, sees stagnation. "It just isn't as strong as everybody says," he says, saying the younger members of his extended family are "hurting" in a fragile economy. "I don't think we're in a recession, but we're definitely not in a recovery."

Meanwhile, my mom is excited for the upcoming debate. She seems to expect Clinton to hand Trump his ass, while Trump makes an ass out of himself.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#136954: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:23:04 AM

I don't expect Trump to do well in the debates (unless, potentially, if both Stein and Johnson make it in and tag-team against Hillary). He did well in the GOP debates because none of the candidates could tear him down without harming themselves. That won't be an issue for Clinton, who has everything to gain by playing rough against him.

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#136955: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:25:31 AM

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Meanwhile, my mom is excited for the upcoming debate. She seems to expect Clinton to hand Trump his ass, while Trump makes an ass out of himself.

I wouldn't be surprised if that literally does happen...

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#136956: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:28:05 AM

You mean, Trump literally turning into an ass, Nick Bottom style?

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#136957: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:31:55 AM

[up] No, more like Trump mooning the audience.

Keep Rolling On
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#136958: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:34:45 AM

"Yeah. Every time we allow the argument to be framed as "The lesser of two evils," we are by definition validating the GOP's many assertions that Hillary is evil."

One of the worst things about this election is listening to female peers, otherwise liberal, parrot "criticisms" of Clinton's character that began life as part of a smear campaign on Limbaugh. They don't understand that they're being useful idiots for Trump.

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#136959: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:45:32 AM

honestly, trying to pay attention, and be as open minded to the criticisms of Hillary as possible, I still don't understand a single assertion of her being any form of corrupt (or, at least no more corrupt than any career politician). she seems like a fairly reasonable, fairly open-minded career politician.

what I really hate is the cyclical nature of people demonizing her. someone posted an article earlier that put it far more eloquently, about how people "know" she's corrupt, thus any action she does only confirms what people "know" to be true.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#136960: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:53:41 AM

Stein is trailing Harambe. She'll never make the debates. Johnson, on the other hand, might be a problem if he makes the debate stage...

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#136961: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:01:21 PM

National Review admits the conservative echo chamber hurts conservatives

While the conservative-media constellation is far larger than it once was, its audience is completely dwarfed by the left-leaning mainstream media. People who are “very conservative” love right-wing media outlets. No one else appears to, not even Republicans who are “somewhat conservative.”

The fact that a majority of average Americans has never even heard of the Right’s biggest stars like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck is a perfect illustration that Republican political junkies live in a media bubble.

It later shows statistics from surveys showing that even 51% of Americans hadn't heard of Glenn Beck.

Conservative activists who dislike GOP nominee Donald Trump are constantly asking themselves how their party could elect an inexperienced bomb-thrower who constantly messes up. The relatively small influence of right-wing blogs and talk radio is part of the answer. Trump-hating hosts like Mark Levin and Glenn Beck bashed Trump daily on their programs for months. Their criticism had no effect, however, because the only people tuning in were those who already agreed.

it appears the reason Fox News is so dominant is that it has effectively cornered the market on Republican television-news viewers, not because it is actually the most influential and respected TV-news operation. In some ways, the literal reverse is true.

That's exactly what I was thinking many times. Conservatives like to brag sometimes that Fox News is the most watched news show. It's also got the least competition for its specific market share. That's like saying that Nintendo dominates the family-friendly games market; there's barely any competition there (and as an uncle to an 8-year-old and 4-year-old, don't I know it).

The article also shows a chart comparing the viewers of left-wing vs. right-wing shows, showing that left-wing news programs clearly have much more viewers.

The Right’s bad situation is made worse by the fact that cable news as a medium is actually in decline as many of its older audience members are dying off and not being replaced because many younger people are refusing to purchase cable- and satellite-television subscriptions. Among those who do pay for TV, younger adults aren’t watching cable news.

It also listed polls and surveys showing that a majority of people who identified as "mostly conservative" didn't get their news from right-wing news sources.

For instance, just 19 percent of those who are mostly conservative got news about government and politics from Sean Hannity’s radio show in the past week (compared with 45 percent of consistent conservatives). Far more in this group got news from sources such as ABC News (32 percent) and CNN (32 percent).

Because the Right now has a comparatively larger media audience than before, it is difficult for many to realize that they have been primarily talking amongst themselves as this analysis clearly shows.

the Right’s media monoculture has created negative feedback loops whereby people with little political acumen like Mark Levin, Michael Savage, and Glenn Beck are able to fill Republican voters’ heads with nonsensical ideas like planning to shut down the government with no backup plan or electing fewer GOP officeholders in pursuit of more “pure” ones, primarily because they grossly overestimate the number of conservatives in America. It is poetic justice that many of the same people who pushed these naive positions and strategies saw their own imbecilic noise machine turned against their preferred presidential candidate, Ted Cruz, in this year’s Republican primaries.

More center-right media outlets could also have been able to detect that the GOP’s economically libertarian message has little to no popularity among average Americans. Since these journalistic structures did not exist, however, the popularity of Donald Trump’s abandonment of that orthodoxy took the Republican elite completely by surprise. It shouldn’t have.

The seeming success of Fox News and talk radio has made many conservatives think they now have a massive media empire. In truth, they have constructed an intellectual ghetto that no one else wants to visit.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136962: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:09:00 PM

I don't think we should be so quick to defend Clinton that we act like she has no flaws. She's done some stuff I'm not happy about. Of course this doesn't make the election a Black-and-Grey Morality thing like some are trying to frame it.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#136963: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:12:23 PM

[up] I wouldn't be surprised if Trump raped child slaves. He's already planning genocide and want to launch nuclear missiles.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136964: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:13:45 PM

Okay let's not accuse him of crimes without evidence. It dilutes the weight of the dangerous stuff he actually is saying.

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#136966: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:19:12 PM

Yeah, lets bring up this fraud and tax evasion schemes instead.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136967: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:25:10 PM

Eh, his immigration policies essentially count as ethnic cleansing. Or they would if they weren't a logistical nightmare.

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#136968: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:33:17 PM

Every time Trump puts "The day I'm elected/inaugurated/take office" into his speech, all I can think is that either Trump desperately does not understand how politics work or, worse, he's planning on doing it extrajudicially.

Like, there's not actually a way to have ALL the immigrants kicked out on Day 1 of Trump Presidency unless he spends the months leading up to his taking office prepping his followers to stage a mass lynching.

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#136969: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:33:48 PM

Honestly I wouldn't put it past him

Oh really when?
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#136970: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:37:50 PM

That National Review article is amusingly warped while still trying to discuss how warped their media space is, like the continued parroting of the idea that the mainstream media is anything but right-biased (look at the bullshit they're cooking up about Clinton, or the constant use of Golden Mean Fallacy).

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#136971: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:40:51 PM

And don't forget, he has the full might of the Justice Department at his beck and call. Ya'll realize we practically commit a felony of some sort, unintentionally, every week, right? Imagine him being vindictive and bringing criminal charges to everyone who's wronged him....legally.

And it gets worse, except for Roberts and Alito, the rest of the Conservative swing members are old...really old. Now, in addition to replacing Scalia, Republicans as a whole could "convince" Thomas and Kennedy to retire early, and coupled with the possibility of Ginsburg dying in office (how the woman is still alive is honestly a goddamn mystery to medicine) You'd have Trump potentially replacing the Supreme Court with young, late 30s, early 40s extremely right-wing justices who would be eager to prove their stripes so to speak and they begin to gut every single progressive agenda in the country. If you assume the average age of Supreme Court retirees age (78/79), the average age of newcomer justices (let's assume 42) and assume Trump manages to get his supermajority conservative court by the end of his first term then:

It won't be until the year 2057 that we'd be able to swing the court back to being progressive!! It doesn't matter if we elected a super young charismatic far-left Democrat. EVERY one of his bills he somehow gets past Congress is Dead on Arrival as soon at it hits the Highest Court in the land. In some ways, the GOP could allow the bill to pass, and then once they sue in court, the Supreme Court could land a ruling not only striking it down, but also making a judicial precedent for that type of legislation anywhere in the country.

Think this election doesn't matter? Ha! You fucking wish.

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#136972: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:44:15 PM

Yup, there is no way that anyone can deport all immigrants on Day 1. It's impossible. It could even take years. Not to mention what should one do with the halves. If those alt-rights don't think it's morally reprehensible, it's also financially suicidal. It's even worse if Trump really want to build that wall. Have they forget that America is in recession. Heck, without China's financial help (it's China, so it's not a good thing), America is essentially in depression. There are also Brexit in UK, Duterte in Philippine, and so on. What happen to basic decency or at least common sense?

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#136973: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:46:14 PM

What Trump is incapable of understanding is that being President of the US is not like being president of a company. POTUS is not a dictatorial position where you can just say, "You're fired!"

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#136974: Sep 1st 2016 at 12:48:31 PM

China's financial help? What help are we getting from them?

Oh really when?
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