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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#136926: Sep 1st 2016 at 6:20:16 AM

"But no, I meant Johnson was an unelected president who was also a notorious conniving bastard with an obsession for his own penis."

Yes on the penis obsession part, hello no on the "unelected" part. LBJ led the Democrats to one of its greatest Landslide Election victories, and was the last Democrat to win more than 480 electoral votes.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136928: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:04:08 AM

Isn't Assange the guy that has a show on the Russian propaganda network?

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136929: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:26:07 AM

Assange is the guy hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in London (who are apparently sick of him) because he thinks the Swedes invented rape charges against him as a pretext for extraditing him to the USA.

edited 1st Sep '16 7:26:20 AM by Deadbeatloser22

"Yup. That tasted purple."
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#136930: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:28:52 AM

The UK's sick of him or Ecuador's sick of him?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136931: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:29:57 AM

Ecuador most likely. I doubt they want the bad press of him hanging around.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#136932: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:32:20 AM

If they're actually sick of him, couldn't they just kick him out of the embassy?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136933: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:32:36 AM

Apparently he's been a right arse to the Embassy staff or something.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136934: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:33:35 AM

[up][up]That would probably piss people off and set a bad precedent.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#136935: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:37:04 AM

[up]Yeah, doing that would sully Ecuador's diplomatic reputation a ton. Probably better to put up with asshattery on a few members of the staff than screw over your entire diplomatic corps with this kind of backtracking. (Not to mention his supports would be unlikely to take that kind of insult sitting down. Erm...so to speak.)

edited 1st Sep '16 7:38:07 AM by megarockman

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#136936: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:40:55 AM

Rafael Correa's trying to gain legitimacy among his fellow Latin American Chavists by flipping the West the bird. Kind of like Mahathir did. I doubt he'd even let Assange leave if he wanted to.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#136937: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:47:24 AM

Oh dear, don't even bring me up the subject of unelected presidents...

Inter arma enim silent leges
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136938: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:17:32 AM

If you want an example of a truly unelected president, we do have an example of one.

Gerald Ford. Clearly the most manipulative bastard in US history.

edited 1st Sep '16 8:17:43 AM by smokeycut

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136939: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:18:48 AM

So I've gotten around to watching Trump's immigration speech.

The first three minutes seem fine: standard vapid political dialogue and pseudo-inspiring platitudes, I assume things start getting crazy near the end.

Edit: Kicks into high gear around 20 minutes into the speech.

edited 1st Sep '16 8:38:32 AM by CaptainCapsase

KentDawg1 All hail the meme. from Mancuunian oop nourth. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
All hail the meme.
#136940: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:48:25 AM

Can anyone send me the link to Trump's new immigration speech?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136941: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:50:17 AM

Yep. Trump's going to try to commit genocide if he wins. Its just a matter if decent Americans will stop him.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#136942: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:53:52 AM

Isn't Assange the guy that has a show on the Russian propaganda network?

Yes. He has a show called World Tomorrow, sometimes also called the Julian Assange Show on the Russia Today network. He is stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy, but does the show via video conference.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#136943: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:56:51 AM

@Handle

Johnson wasn't unelected. Where are you getting that? He was JFK's VP and was elected alongside him.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#136944: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:02:26 AM

Former Reagan and George H. W. Bush aide Bruce Bartlett, who is highly critical of the GOP, tweeted Wednesday, "The right-wing media are irrelevant, politically, because they only preach to the right-wing choir. Not one is aimed at non-right wingers."

From this.

Sadly, we're at the point where both sides have split into camps where each considers the other's media to be useless and untrustworthy. I'd read an article from a conservative about how conservative media has become a disaster. He said he'd tell people that something wasn't true, and point to a news source that's not right-wing, and be told that it's full of shit because it's not a right-wing source. And because of this bubble, conservative politicians have to repeat things they know are full of shit because if they don't, they get accused of not being conservative enough.

Oh, and we got National Review, of all sources saying that becoming "Fox News famous" hurts the right.

Conservative leaders and conservative politicians should likewise be savvy enough to know the limitations of the network’s reach: It doesn’t speak to a majority; it speaks to a bubble. But such is the allure of the community within the bubble that a person can’t help but walk through its gates.

The result is a world in which many individual conservatives just keep failing up. Fox is the place where you can nurse grievances over failed arguments. It’s the place where you can make money after failed campaigns. Do you wonder why the GOP had 17 presidential primary candidates? In part because there were actually two primary contests — the race for the nomination and the auditions for Fox.

prior to 1996, a politician could truly succeed only by going to the American people through the media outlets they actually watched, which encouraged communication that persuaded those who weren’t true believers.

The conservative movement is a victim of Fox’s success. The network is so strong that conservatives who ignore it risk obscurity and irrelevance, even as it remains far too weak to truly transform the landscape. So long as Fox continues to make more than $1 billion per year, that’s unlikely to change. It will be up to conservative leaders to wean themselves off the cheap high and intentionally engage the vast majority of Americans who don’t turn on Fox, don’t follow Sean Hannity, and think “The Factor” sounds more like an old game show than the most-watched news program in America.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136945: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:20:35 AM

So Trump's speech was a thing. He really likes to repeat words for emphasis.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#136946: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:52:53 AM

Trumps speech was a thing that killed what little Hispanic support he had:

Jacob Monty, an attorney based in Houston, resigned from the Republican candidate’s National Hispanic Advisory Council after hearing the speech in Phoenix, Politico reported early Thursday morning.

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” Monty told the news site. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

...

Monty told the Texas Tribune that Trump’s speech was a “complete betrayal to Republican ideals and his [commitments] made” and that Republicans need to “reclaim our party from the [nativist] elements.”

When asked if he’d continue raising money for Trump, Monty replied, “No way José … It is pouring money down the drain.”

Monty was one of the Latino leaders who attended the Aug. 20 meeting in Trump Tower where the billionaire mogul reportedly softened his tone on illegal immigration.

“When we met [earlier in August], he was going to approach this issue with a realistic plan, a compassionate plan, with a plan that was not disruptive to the immigrants that were here that were not lawbreakers,” Monty told Politico. “He didn’t deliver any of that.”

Similarly, Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, told Politico that he was “inclined” to drop his support for Trump after this week’s big speech.

“It’s so disappointing because we feel we took a chance, a very risky chance,” he said. “We decided to make a big U-turn to see if we could make him change. We thought we were moving in the right direction … we’re disappointed. We feel misled.”

Massey Villarreal, a businessman in Houston, told NBC Latino that he was finished supporting Trump after Wednesday night’s “awful” speech.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#136947: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:56:53 AM

It's always hard to feel sorry for people who answers these things. Like, what about what Trump was saying before made the first guy think that Trump would deal with the immigration issue "realistically" and "compassionately".

edited 1st Sep '16 9:57:14 AM by LSBK

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136948: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:59:16 AM

I wouldn't say Trump isn't compassionate about his future death squads.

Oh really when?
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#136949: Sep 1st 2016 at 10:02:01 AM

Well I'll be, the guy who said that Mexicans are all rapists and murderers isn't realistic or compassionate???

edited 1st Sep '16 10:02:35 AM by NoName999

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#136950: Sep 1st 2016 at 10:04:19 AM

[up][up]I dunno. I think he does care about and for them on some intellectual level. But, if they want deep, personal and lasting bonds, the poor, murderous dears will have to look elsewhere for real long term commitment. tongue

edited 1st Sep '16 10:04:54 AM by Euodiachloris


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