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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#136476: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:43:07 PM

I was about to link to that very same article!

That has left conservatives who oppose Trump in a tricky position when trying to get their message to supporters. No longer can Ryan or Cruz turn to Hannity for a softball interview. They can’t work with Breitbart or rely on Drudge to help with their legislative agenda.

These Republicans have effectively been exiled from the conservative news media, leaving them with a problem.

“They don't have any place to go. How else do you get your message out? You can't do it in the mainstream. This is the way you reach conservatives,” Ziegler said. “We have taught conservatives for many years to trust nothing other than what they hear in conservative media. Yet the conservative media has now proven to be untrustworthy.”

“You have to go to the old mainstream media and at the end of the day, you will be the only reasonable, rational conservative standing,” Sykes suggested. “That would be the best case scenario.”

They created their very own problem. Can't say I feel too sorry for them. I really hope a splintered conservative movement allows liberal ideas to flourish for at least a few years.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#136477: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:47:15 PM

Some conservatives did try to fight back against Trump, pleading with their audiences to see what they contended to be the rational point of view, but their arguments fell on deaf ears.

One of the chief problems, Sykes said, was that it had become impossible to prove to listeners that Trump was telling falsehoods because over the past several decades the conservative news media had “basically eliminated any of the referees, the gatekeepers.”

“There's nobody,” he lamented. “Let's say that Donald Trump basically makes whatever you want to say, whatever claim he wants to make. And everybody knows it's a falsehood. The big question of my audience, it is impossible for me to say that, 'By the way, you know it's false.' And they'll say, ‘Why? I saw it on Allen B. West.' Or they'll say, 'I saw it on a Facebook page.' And I'll say, 'The New York Times did a fact check.' And they'll say, 'Oh, that's The New York Times. That's bulls—-.’ There's nobody — you can't go to anybody and say, 'Look, here are the facts.’”

“And I have to say that's one of the disorienting realities of this political year. You can be in this alternative media reality and there's no way to break through it," Sykes continued. "And I swim up stream because if I don't say these things from some of these websites, then suddenly I have sold out. Then they'll ask what's wrong with me for not repeating these stories that I know not to be true.”

Heyyy, a conservative complaining about the right living in an alternative media reality? I see that nonsense with my brother, who has an Alex Jones app on his tablet, reads the Washington Times, and supports the manosphere. He lives in his own little world, and he acts like he's an expert.

In the meantime, I saw a headline from Fox News saying that Clinton's "alt-right" speech is tired old nonsense. Looks like someone's trying to deny there is a problem.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#136478: Aug 26th 2016 at 2:12:39 PM

What's the manosphere?

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KentDawg1 All hail the meme. from Mancuunian oop nourth. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
All hail the meme.
#136479: Aug 26th 2016 at 2:22:52 PM

When Fox news are saying something is nonsense, chances are it isn't.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#136480: Aug 26th 2016 at 2:37:02 PM

MRA/PUA types, with a good side of racism, homophobia, and other pseudointellectual biological determinism.

edited 26th Aug '16 2:47:58 PM by AlleyOop

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136482: Aug 26th 2016 at 2:43:24 PM

So if I read that right, the world is going to end purely because America will be run by someone with no Y chromosome?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#136483: Aug 26th 2016 at 2:46:47 PM

I'm reminded of an old Ziggy cartoon — He's at a farm show, passing by the prize-winning pigs: "Hampshire... Yorkshire... Chauvinist...?"

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#136484: Aug 26th 2016 at 3:43:08 PM

That letter from Trump's doctor? His doctor admitted that it was dashed off in 5 minutes and handed to the waiting campaign staffer.

He did say Trump has no problems he knows about. It mostly only looks bad because of the conspiracy his campaign were raising about Hillary's health.

edited 26th Aug '16 3:44:11 PM by Elle

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#136485: Aug 26th 2016 at 4:21:16 PM

Maine Governor Paul LePage leaves a slightly heated message to a critic and demands he publish it. Additionally, he later told reporters that he wished to have the man murdered.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#136486: Aug 26th 2016 at 5:04:10 PM

I'm pretty happy with the alt-right getting some light shone on it. With any luck when Trump gets dumped the stinking lot with be tossed into the dustbin with him.

It's kinda weird hearing so many people in this thread having no idea what the manosphere/alt-right was until hillary talked about it. They've been an active presence on the internet shitting it up for awhile now and have a lot of crossover with the-hashtag-that-shall-not-be-named-because-fighteer-reads-this.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136487: Aug 26th 2016 at 5:16:14 PM

People know about them, but the term alt-right isn't that common in day to day discourse.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#136488: Aug 26th 2016 at 5:24:53 PM

So, Tim Kaine just said Donald Trump has "KKK Values."

....well fuck.

Didn't know the guy had it in him.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136489: Aug 26th 2016 at 5:37:22 PM

He really is real life Bartlet...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#136490: Aug 26th 2016 at 5:49:28 PM

Incidentally, the Breitbart version of the headline is "Kaine Plays Race Card to Black College Audience".

One thing I fear in this that could potentially backfire on the Clinton campaign, didn't the "birther" phenomenon originate from Clinton's 2008 campaign against Obama and Trump just ran with it, or am I misremembering?

Also saw "Tim Kaine TRYS TO Link Trump to ' Ku Klux Klan Values '" for a site called freerepublic.com, which my inner grammar nazi found amusing.

edited 26th Aug '16 6:01:20 PM by sgamer82

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136491: Aug 26th 2016 at 6:03:14 PM

A few Clinton supporters went with it, but to my knowledge neither she nor her campaign ever promoted it. She focused on his youth and lack of experience for the most part.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#136492: Aug 26th 2016 at 6:04:36 PM

It was started specifically by "democrats" of the puma pac founder "The undisputed queen of the PUM As, Murphy is the founder and owner of PUMA PAC. She is a "lifelong Democrat," except for 2000 when she donated money to John Mc Cain (and only John Mc Cain)[3] and voted in the Republican primary.[4] Of course, there's no reason to suspect foul play based on this alone, but Murphy's repeated failure to file a report with the FEC seems a bit suspicious.[5]"

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#136493: Aug 26th 2016 at 6:21:17 PM

[up]What is Murphy's full name?

edited 26th Aug '16 6:26:25 PM by sgamer82

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#136494: Aug 26th 2016 at 6:43:56 PM

I remember during the 2008 campaign Clinton was getting flack because, when asked about either the false rumours that Obama was a Muslim or that he was born outside the US, she said "I have no reason to think he is" (or something along those lines) rather than denying it outright.

edited 26th Aug '16 6:44:10 PM by Galadriel

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#136495: Aug 26th 2016 at 6:57:19 PM

Watching a documentary on the U.S. Presidential Election of 1964... AKA LBJ Vs. Goldwater, and it is clear that this election is pretty much a repeat of Johnson Vs. Goldwater. It seems like the only difference is the lack of a Reagan figure for the Alt-Right to rally behind after Trump loses the election who can win the election a decade down the road.

edited 26th Aug '16 6:57:50 PM by GameGuruGG

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136496: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:06:11 PM

That's a little unfair to Goldwater. Yes, he was a disgusting opportunist when it came to civil rights, his foreign policy was crazy, and his economic platform was pure voodoo. But the man was decades ahead of his time on gay rights, and he did warn about the rise of the religious right.

Trump has nothing positive in his corner. At least Goldwater told those on his (relative) right-wing to piss off.

However the same line does work for both them: In your guts, you know he's nuts.

edited 26th Aug '16 7:06:54 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#136497: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:22:14 PM

[up] I will admit that it was more of a generalization... Goldwater had some lines that he wouldn't cross.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#136498: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:25:04 PM

I'm kind of glad Trump got the nomination, and not just because it'd be an easy win for Hilldawg, but this kind of racism and bigotry has been flying under the radar far too damn long.

It needed to be exposed for all to see so we can at least begin the process of stamping it out.

Which is why I believe Hillary winning over Obama in 08 wouldn't have the GOP on a near extinction event as it is, now. His election really brought out all the racists.

edited 26th Aug '16 7:25:51 PM by TacticalFox88

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Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#136499: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:36:21 PM

Well let's hope that Hillary crushes Trump the same way Johnson did Goldwater.

If we're (unrealistically) lucky, she might also have the political connections and experience to swing Congress like LBJ.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#136500: Aug 26th 2016 at 8:17:30 PM

But the man was decades ahead of his time on gay rights, and he did warn about the rise of the religious right.

Really? In what way?

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