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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#136326: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:11:22 AM

@ conspiracy theories:

"Cut! Neil, it's 'One small step for A man'! Whose bright idea was it to use real pilots for this staged moon-landing, anyway? Actors could at least get their lines right..."

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#136327: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:17:03 AM

I love these conspiracy theories...we're clever and wicked enough to murder these people. We're not smart enough not to make it ridiculously obvious and public.

Well, I for one have full faith the ability of the likes of the CIA to maintain plausible deniability even upon either of these men's deaths. Of course, they're a bit less competent than they're given credit for: their failed attempts tend to be hilarious. (well, those the public hears about, that is). Fidel Castro and Che Guevara in particular eluded some really Zany Schemes in their day.

And that's without getting into all the psychic and mind-control malarkey "research" on the side.

As for Manning,I honestly just pity the fool. And I think his punishment was disproportionate. He was a dumb-ass on an epic scale, but it's not like he was malicious or really profited from his crime.

edited 25th Aug '16 9:18:12 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#136328: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:20:40 AM

Back again.

I admit, context was important for those quotes. I actually didn't really have to even dig that much to find them. Just type in "Hillary Clinton quotes" in google, and BOOM! Take a pick.

Still, my uncle, who is conservative, is in support of Clinton being president, so, I guess I should choose the lesser of two evils. Not gonna make me comfortable, but hey, it's for the best.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#136329: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:23:39 AM

People call Clinton the lesser of two evils (or , more recently, lesser of four) but I don't really see her being a bad choice. Maybe, in the eyes of many, she is not a good choice, but she is hardly a bad choice, especially given the nature of the competition. There's Trump (nuff said), Stein (who seems willing to flip flop as necessary to pander where she can (such as with the anti-vaxxers), and Johnson who, admittedly, I don't know much about but seems to represent a very fringe group going by some description of libertarians.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#136330: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:29:36 AM

In the end, there is no politician who can't be bought - it's just a question of the right price. Or the right bounty...

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#136331: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:36:35 AM

You know, there's been something I've been meaning to ask: Why the hell is Hilary the 'lesser of two evils'? Because every 'evil' thing I've known about her seems to be more hearsay than anything else. Heck, by all accounts, she appears to be more 'good' than 'evil'. So how come everyone's saying she's the 'lesser of two evils' when she doesn't seem to really be evil at all?

edited 25th Aug '16 1:26:55 PM by kkhohoho

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#136332: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:40:24 AM

Yeah. I'm a lot less convinced of a lot of stuff against her than I was a year ago. The email server thing has always bugged me, but more because of potential issues of transparency than legality or actual controversy. Still, as I've said to others, none of the skeletons in Clinton's closet can convince me she's a worse choice than Trump.

edited 25th Aug '16 9:40:43 AM by sgamer82

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#136333: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:41:07 AM

Because we're so used to our politics being drenched in supposedly wise cynicism that they guy you like is always the lesser evil. Also it doesn't help that the Republican propaganda machine has at least partially succeeded in its goal of trashing Clinton's reputation.

Also it's real fucking obnoxious when it's just assumed that the American government is going to, you know, just kill off any one particular person. Because somehow they're important enough for that, or that's just how the American government does things? This assumes everyone in it is not just evil, but stupid. It's Ted Nugent levels of paranoid.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#136334: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:43:57 AM

Exactly, when has the US just tried killing off its rivals except all those times it tried killing its rivals?

i'm mostly kidding. "traffic accidenting" those two at this point would accomplish nothing. Especially when Jules is doing a very good job of ruining whatever goodwill he had developed.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#136335: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:46:15 AM

There is some resentment towards Hillary for being a political opportunist. Not that that's at all uncommon among politicians, by any stretch of the imagination. But she seemed a bit more blatantly obvious about it — like buying a house in New York state, and then immediately running for the NY Senate seat. It could be argued that, not being from New York, she wasn't suitable to represent its people in Congress, and only did so to promote her own agenda.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#136336: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:47:04 AM

Part of it's cynicism, part of it's misinformation, and part of it is legitimate policy disputes that perhaps get exaggerated. Like, some people here has basically said they expect her to start a war as soon as possible because she's a hawk/that's what presidents do.

edited 25th Aug '16 9:48:39 AM by LSBK

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#136337: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:47:04 AM

I wonder why she didn't try for a Senate seat in Illinois, being originally a Chicago native. Surely she could have won there...

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#136338: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:52:41 AM

As for Manning,I honestly just pity the fool. And I think his punishment was disproportionate. He was a dumb-ass on an epic scale, but it's not like he was malicious or really profited from his crime.

Um, are you talking about Chelsea Manning? Because, well...

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#136339: Aug 25th 2016 at 9:53:14 AM

And one thing about Clinton is that the Republicans have run a consistent campaign of hate against her for decades now, and not one of the conspiracies lobbied against her have had any real impact, probably because most of them aren't true.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#136340: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:06:00 AM

Some people have a hard time understanding that the war against Clinton is a pre-internet endeavor.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136341: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:09:48 AM

My primary concern with Clinton is that she's likely to be a one term president. All the experience (and frankly, her policymaking record is decidedly average) in the world doesn't matter if you can't win an election, and unless Clinton presides over a boom economy (unlikely at best), I can't imagine her winning unless the GOP puts up a candidate even more incompetent than Trump.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#136342: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:11:57 AM

have we stepped into a world where being an incumbent as a disadvantage?

Can the left stop being so self defeating and pessimistic for once?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136343: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:15:47 AM

Incumbent advantage tends to turn against a party the longer it's been in power for. At least in the United States.

edited 25th Aug '16 10:16:09 AM by CaptainCapsase

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#136344: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:16:31 AM

That's part of why I support Clinton: I'd much rather be voting against her in four years than stuck with Trump again.

Leviticus 19:34
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136345: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:19:56 AM

[up] I seriously doubt the GOP is going back to what it was before Trump; the alt-right will be here to stay, much as it is in the rest of the western world, the next candidate will just be better at convincing people they aren't bigoted than Trump, and better at knowing when to shy their mouth.

edited 25th Aug '16 10:21:18 AM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136346: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:23:11 AM

What? The Republican party has always been as bigoted as Trump. The whole issue is that Trump is too stupid and too blatant about it.

Saying they'll be smarter about things and know when to keep their mouths shut is exactly what the old Republican party is.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136347: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:24:16 AM

Also, if we manage to have 4 good years under Clinton, people might actually stop hating her as much. They'd realize they were worrying over nothing.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136348: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:27:54 AM

[up][up] I imagine our resident Republican would beg to differ quite vigorously on that point.

Either way, the toxic nationalism is what I mean when I say the party won't go back to normal; globalism had broad bipartisan support until this particular cycle.

[up] That's very unlikely to be true. In all likelyhood, the economy will be fairly tepid, as it is now, or in recession during the next election. Either way, that's beyond Clinton's control.

edited 25th Aug '16 10:33:34 AM by CaptainCapsase

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136349: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:31:22 AM

Also, if we manage to have 4 good years under Clinton, people might actually stop hating her as much. They'd realize they were worrying over nothing.

Didn't work for Barry.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136350: Aug 25th 2016 at 10:33:30 AM

Republicans hate Obama still, but everyone else practically wishes they could give him another term.


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