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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Bollocks. I hate to break it to you but you're not a mind reader, you don't know what I think or what I'd think under other circumstances. So stop assuming that you somehow know what I'd think and that I'm somehow willing to defend rapists.
I am not a rapist defender and you're instance that I'd be willing to defend a rapist is insulting and total bollocks.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI don't think this line of conversation has any chance of ending well. Take it to the P Ms perhaps?
nope not doing it, I'm not going to engage you on your little "Silas is willing to defend rapists" fantasy.
I don't want it to end well, I want it to end with Captain banned for saying that me and others are willing to defend rapists.
edited 24th Aug '16 2:48:19 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
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What I'm arguing is that it would be the case if wikileaks was an American crony rather than a Russian crony.
That's not what I'm saying, you're actively ignoring my argument: I'm arguing that you probably wouldn't even know he was accused of rape, and if you did, it would be as a footnote and the general consensus of pundits would be that he was in fact innocent.
edited 24th Aug '16 2:49:11 PM by CaptainCapsase
I find it fascinating that Cap is willing to debate and entertain hypotheticals like this:
but goes to great lengths to sidestep hypotheticals just moments later.
Is that solely because Cap only wants to consider things which back up the viewpoint that he's already decided is correct, all else be damned?
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That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying you most likely wouldn't even know, but let's drop this because people clearly cannot comprehend the idea that America is an Empire like any other.
My position is one of historical determinism; it's completely irrelevant to ask those kinds of questions, since Nazi Germany as it existed in our world could not win the war.
edited 24th Aug '16 2:51:33 PM by CaptainCapsase
I'm saying we're willing to look the other way if it suits us. That's the royal we by the way, I'm not necessarily accusing any single person here, I'm just assuming that, as with most other things, people here will hold the establishment positions, and the establishment position would be to regard him as innocent if he were sufficiently useful to the US, regardless of whether or not he actually was.
edited 24th Aug '16 2:53:36 PM by CaptainCapsase
X5 Oh get off your sanctimonious high horse. We can get that perfectly well, we can understand and accept, we can process it all. We can even understand the idea that the American media and press might defend a rapist who worked for US-interests, what we're not accepting is your oh so righteous conviction that we are nothing but sheepies who will to follow the America media as it leads us to defend rapists.
News flash, we're smarter than that, we're better than that and we're not actually so stupid that we'd let the American press lead us into defending rapists, as I'm sure it has tired to do over the years.
You said "the people here", that means us on a personal level, you don't get to walk that back.
Look you want a reality check, consider for a moment how pissed off I am, the calm composed Bunny who has jumped to the defence of you and others time and time again, the guy who had constantly made the point about calm and how we should try and not read the worst into what others say.
You've made me angry, do you know how fucking hard that is to do?
edited 24th Aug '16 2:58:13 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranRight. Our inability to comprehend that America is an empire would make us defend a rapist. That doesn't even make sense.
I mean, is the US an empire? Sure absolutely. "An empire is a multi-ethnic or multinational state with political and/or military dominion of populations who are culturally and ethnically distinct from the imperial (ruling) ethnic group and its culture." That sounds like the USA. But that's totally irrelevant to the discussion of Assange.
Your dodge of the Nazi Germany question is telling. But hey, just for you, let's rephrase it—is Europe better off now than it was when under Nazi control? Yes or no?
edited 24th Aug '16 2:56:21 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
You clearly have a very low opinion of the people in this thread.
We deserve better.
Still if you're honestly sorry and regret it then I'm willing to move on. But please don't insult our intelligence like that again, it was massively out of line, especially when you consider that some in this thread have actually been tested when it comes to the "how would you act if someone was a rapist but everyone else was willing to excuse it" question.
edited 24th Aug '16 3:01:51 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Fox is the biggest single one, but the rest of them (and collectively CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and so on have a larger market share than Fox) largely follow the orthodox democrat positions.
Moreover, I'm not dodging the question, a moderator told us to stop talking about Nazi Germany.
edited 24th Aug '16 3:01:05 PM by CaptainCapsase
We were told to drop the WW 2 discussion, I didn't see that that also applied to the "would this thread defend a pro-us rapist" discussion. If it does than fair enough, time to end it.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

edited 24th Aug '16 2:45:12 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?