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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136201: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:40:45 PM

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[up]That's such a huge load of shit man, I'm sorry. I don't care how anti-Russian or how helpful to the US someone is or what the media says about them, they don't get a pass on stuff like that and frankly it's insulting that you would even suggest that we'd give him one.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:45:12 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136202: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:44:33 PM

you'd mostly be convinced that the charges were trumped up,

Bollocks. I hate to break it to you but you're not a mind reader, you don't know what I think or what I'd think under other circumstances. So stop assuming that you somehow know what I'd think and that I'm somehow willing to defend rapists.

I am not a rapist defender and you're instance that I'd be willing to defend a rapist is insulting and total bollocks.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136203: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:45:15 PM

[up] Would you be willing to defend someone who was accused and acquitted of rape?

edited 24th Aug '16 2:46:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#136204: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:46:40 PM

[up]Irrelevant. That hasn't happened to Assange.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#136205: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:47:22 PM

I don't think this line of conversation has any chance of ending well. Take it to the P Ms perhaps?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136206: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:47:34 PM

nope not doing it, I'm not going to engage you on your little "Silas is willing to defend rapists" fantasy.

[up] I don't want it to end well, I want it to end with Captain banned for saying that me and others are willing to defend rapists.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:48:19 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136207: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:47:57 PM

[up][up][up] What I'm arguing is that it would be the case if wikileaks was an American crony rather than a Russian crony.

[up] That's not what I'm saying, you're actively ignoring my argument: I'm arguing that you probably wouldn't even know he was accused of rape, and if you did, it would be as a footnote and the general consensus of pundits would be that he was in fact innocent.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:49:11 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136208: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:48:11 PM

Would you? You act like you know we'd defend rapists because apparently you know us oh so well.

But what about you? Because if you think we'd defend a rapist but you're above that, then you really have a superiority complex.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#136209: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:49:09 PM

At this point I'm surprised no one has been thumped/Capsase banned.

But, uh, anything else stupid/relevant going on?

edited 24th Aug '16 2:49:32 PM by LSBK

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#136210: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:50:05 PM

[up][up][up]Except that you do not and cannot know that. In fact, why don't you go back through this thread and find us a point in which anybody participating in this discussion has defended a rapist.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:50:15 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#136211: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:50:08 PM

I find it fascinating that Cap is willing to debate and entertain hypotheticals like this:

If Assange was the exact same kind of person (a prick), complete with the rape charges and reckless doxxing, but was primarily leaking stuff about Russia (or honestly any government other than close US allies) and actively avoiding releasing leaks about Americans, people here would largely view him in a completely different light (by virtue of American media's portrayal) and excuse/rationalize the rape charges and doxxing away. That's the problem.

but goes to great lengths to sidestep hypotheticals just moments later.

World War 2 was more or less unwinnable for the Nazis; for Germany to win the war, you'd have to remove the Nazis from power or completely change the makeup of the party.

Is that solely because Cap only wants to consider things which back up the viewpoint that he's already decided is correct, all else be damned?

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136212: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:50:15 PM

[up][up] That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying you most likely wouldn't even know, but let's drop this because people clearly cannot comprehend the idea that America is an Empire like any other.

[up] My position is one of historical determinism; it's completely irrelevant to ask those kinds of questions, since Nazi Germany as it existed in our world could not win the war.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:51:33 PM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136213: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:51:20 PM

Are you really saying that we're only concerned about prosecuting rape when an enemy of the United States does it?

Because it sounds an awful lot like you're saying that if Assange was with us and not the Russians we'd let it slide.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:52:03 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136214: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:51:58 PM

[up] I'm saying we're willing to look the other way if it suits us. That's the royal we by the way, I'm not necessarily accusing any single person here, I'm just assuming that, as with most other things, people here will hold the establishment positions, and the establishment position would be to regard him as innocent if he were sufficiently useful to the US, regardless of whether or not he actually was.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:53:36 PM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136215: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:53:04 PM

Us on a personal level? That's really your argument?

You're doing a pretty poor job of selling that royal we garbage.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:53:42 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136216: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:53:45 PM

[up] Us as a society. Consider the kinds of people the US has supported. Assange is nothing compared to some of the pieces of work we've covered for.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:54:50 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136217: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:54:33 PM

[up]X5 Oh get off your sanctimonious high horse. We can get that perfectly well, we can understand and accept, we can process it all. We can even understand the idea that the American media and press might defend a rapist who worked for US-interests, what we're not accepting is your oh so righteous conviction that we are nothing but sheepies who will to follow the America media as it leads us to defend rapists.

News flash, we're smarter than that, we're better than that and we're not actually so stupid that we'd let the American press lead us into defending rapists, as I'm sure it has tired to do over the years.

[up] You said "the people here", that means us on a personal level, you don't get to walk that back.

Look you want a reality check, consider for a moment how pissed off I am, the calm composed Bunny who has jumped to the defence of you and others time and time again, the guy who had constantly made the point about calm and how we should try and not read the worst into what others say.

You've made me angry, do you know how fucking hard that is to do?

edited 24th Aug '16 2:58:13 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#136218: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:54:39 PM

let's drop this because people clearly cannot comprehend the idea that America is an Empire like any other.

Right. Our inability to comprehend that America is an empire would make us defend a rapist. That doesn't even make sense.

I mean, is the US an empire? Sure absolutely. "An empire is a multi-ethnic or multinational state with political and/or military dominion of populations who are culturally and ethnically distinct from the imperial (ruling) ethnic group and its culture." That sounds like the USA. But that's totally irrelevant to the discussion of Assange.

Your dodge of the Nazi Germany question is telling. But hey, just for you, let's rephrase it—is Europe better off now than it was when under Nazi control? Yes or no?

edited 24th Aug '16 2:56:21 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136219: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:57:44 PM

[up][up] I misspoke, and for that I'm sorry. My logic was that, in general, the opinions of this thread follow suit with the opinions of the mainstream press.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136220: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:58:53 PM

You clearly have a very low opinion of the people in this thread.

We deserve better.

Still if you're honestly sorry and regret it then I'm willing to move on. But please don't insult our intelligence like that again, it was massively out of line, especially when you consider that some in this thread have actually been tested when it comes to the "how would you act if someone was a rapist but everyone else was willing to excuse it" question.

edited 24th Aug '16 3:01:51 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136221: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:58:55 PM

What thread have you been reading? The mainstream presses are groups like FOX. They're the biggest media group in the nation.

And you still keep dodging that Nazi Germany question.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:59:34 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136222: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:59:50 PM

[up] Fox is the biggest single one, but the rest of them (and collectively CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and so on have a larger market share than Fox) largely follow the orthodox democrat positions.

Moreover, I'm not dodging the question, a moderator told us to stop talking about Nazi Germany.

edited 24th Aug '16 3:01:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136223: Aug 24th 2016 at 3:00:07 PM

I thought I told you all to drop this line of discussion already.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136224: Aug 24th 2016 at 3:01:21 PM

We were told to drop the WW 2 discussion, I didn't see that that also applied to the "would this thread defend a pro-us rapist" discussion. If it does than fair enough, time to end it.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136225: Aug 24th 2016 at 3:02:25 PM

Fine, would you say the world would be the same place if the Russians were the ones running things right now?

Can you really say that with a straight face?

Oh really when?

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