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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#136176: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:14:46 PM

Almost makes me want to ask "Where's Anonymous when you need them?"

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136177: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:15:41 PM

Wikileaks lost whatever credibility they had with me when they basically said "you can't claim to be transparent if you take steps to avoid doxxing people".

"Yup. That tasted purple."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136178: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:19:01 PM

If Assange was the exact same kind of person (a prick), complete with the rape charges and reckless doxxing, but was primarily leaking stuff about Russia (or honestly any government other than close US allies) and actively avoiding releasing leaks about Americans, people here would largely view him in a completely different light (by virtue of American media's portrayal) and excuse/rationalize the rape charges and doxxing away. That's the problem.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:20:45 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136179: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:20:16 PM

Well most of us here would argue that America is a much bigger force for good in the world than Russia. We're not perfect but being biased isn't really that shocking.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136180: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:21:42 PM

You can talk about ifs all day long. If he helped us, would we hate him still? If he went against Trump would we rationalize away the rape charges?

Who cares. That isn't what is. What is happening, is there's somebody who is posing the threat of handing this country to Trump because he thinks he's some kind of rebel hero.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#136181: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:22:19 PM

Dear god they want America to burn

What do they get from that? Are American ashes valuable?

Assange is the host of a show on Russia's propaganda channel Russia Today. He decided a long time ago that the US was the Evil Empire to be opposed at every turn, and made his bed with Putin.

Trump is trying his best to cozy up to Putin, and a lot of what Trump says and would potentially do would give Putin an advantage in the Eurasia. Trying to give Trump an extra push is a low risk, potentially high reward play for their geopolitical goals.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136182: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:23:46 PM

[up][up][up] States are inherently amoral entities. While a world dominated by Russia would look different from a US dominated world, that would be the result of the differing geopolitical interests rather than any inherent difference in their (nonexistent) moral character.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:25:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136183: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:27:34 PM

So using your logic the Nazis winning World War 2 wouldn't have made the world worse; just different. Is that what you're saying?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136184: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:28:26 PM

Yeah that's a load of shit. Like hell the world wouldn't be worse under Putin's Russia.

Oh really when?
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#136185: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:29:25 PM

The US has done some seriously messed up shit but if we're talking last decade russia is a like 8/10 to america's 6/10 with 10 being hitler and 1 being equestria

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#136186: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:29:52 PM

Putin doesn't want the world. Just the old Empire.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136187: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:30:04 PM

[up][up][up] World War 2 was more or less unwinnable for the Nazis; for Germany to win the war, you'd have to remove the Nazis from power or completely change the makeup of the party.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:31:14 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#136188: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:31:13 PM

[up]That doesn't answer my question. Would the world be worse if it was dominated by a Nazi Empire; yes or no?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136189: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:31:19 PM

people here would largely view him in a completely different light (by virtue of American media's portrayal) and excuse/rationalize the rape charges and doxxing away.

So this entire forum is made up of anti-Russians willing to defend rapists to get one over on Putin?

I don't know what forum you're reading but it's clearly a different one to me.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136190: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:31:46 PM

[up][up] No, but as I said before, that's because, in order for the war to be winnable, the Nazi party would either need to not exist or be drastically different from what it was in OTL.

[up] That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that Western media would downplay the negatives of Assange and upsell his virtues if he were acting in the US's interests, and that being the case, people here would have a much more positive impression of the man.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:32:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136191: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:32:54 PM

It doesn't matter if it was supposedly unwinnable. They were still worse. Acting like there's no difference between us and them doesn't make you seem smart or above it all, it makes you sound cruel and uncaring for the people who are stomped on. The US isn't perfect, but at least I have the right to live as myself. In other countries I'd be killed on sight.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#136192: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:33:08 PM

That's irrelevant. You said states are inherently evil and no worse than the other.

Are you really going to try and claim an Axis victory would have been no worse for the world than an Allied one?

Oh really when?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#136193: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:33:16 PM

[up][up][up] And water is wet and the sky is blue. We speak more highly of people who appear to be aiding our national interests; what's news? Your point is meaningless. You can't just dismantle all state actors and expect to have anything resembling a fair or ideal society.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:33:49 PM by Fighteer

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Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136194: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:34:11 PM

Can we try and wrangle this back towards US Politics please? Not what might have happened if the Axis won WW 2 or who's being an apologist for what regime.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#136195: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:34:25 PM

So anyway, 75 days til the election. Almost there guys.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#136196: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:35:26 PM

In a nutshell:

"Yup. That tasted purple."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136197: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:36:50 PM

@smokey: And how many of those countries were dictatorships propped up by the United States, eh?

Edit: Okay, we're supposed to end this conversation, so never mind.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:38:10 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136198: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:37:12 PM

Clinton's still doing well, and CNN was making a big deal earlier about Trump being ahead in Arizona and NC being effectively tied. Gotta keep the ratings up...

Also, Trump's campaign manager was going full Unskewed Polls earlier.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:37:36 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#136199: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:38:22 PM

being the case, people here would have a much more positive impression of the man.

And be willing to defend him being a rapist, let's not forget that the bit, the bit where you acused me and others of being so narrow minded and anti-Russian that we'd defend rapists.

Hell many of us aren't even Americans, so where the fuck do you get off acussing us of being willing to defend rapists if they're also pro-American? Sorry but no, you don't get to just accuse myself and others of being willing to defend rapists and act like it's nothing.

You're clearly either delusional or a troll at this point.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#136200: Aug 24th 2016 at 2:38:52 PM

[up][up] Apparently there's a poll showing him up in Florida. Naturally, r/the_Donald paraded it around completely ignoring the fact that a bunch of red states are turning purple.

[up] That's not what I was saying at all; what I was saying is that you'd mostly be convinced that the charges were trumped up, that he was actually innocent, hell he'd probably be acquitted if he was acting in American interests to any significant extent, and you'd shrug at the doxxing and say "oh well, it's not like the other side is better." that would be the case because his portayal in western media would be completely different from what it's like now; it's entirely likely most people here wouldn't even know about the rape charges, and they'd at best be a footnote, and the doxxing simply wouldn't be given any significant amount of attention.

My larger point is, "free press" isn't actually all that free, and it influences us much more than we like to think.

edited 24th Aug '16 2:44:55 PM by CaptainCapsase


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